Sep 20

I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me.

(It’s Thursday! Meta time, time to relax. – promoted by exmearden)

Meditations on the cause of suffering.

The Four Noble Truths-

  • Life means suffering.
  • The cause of suffering is desire.
  • There is a way to stop suffering.
  • The Eight Fold Way.

The Eight Fold Way-

  • Right View
  • Right Intention
  • Right Speech
  • Right Action
  • Right Livelihood
  • Right Effort
  • Right Mindfulness
  • Right Concentration

Right View

You should see and understand things as they are, not as you would wish them to be.

Right Intention

A commitment to improvement, of which there are three elements-

  • Renouncing Desire.
  • Good Will- Resistance to feelings of anger and aversion.
  • Harmlessness- Not thinking or acting cruelly, violently, or aggressively and instead developing compassion.

Right Speech

The first principle of ethical conduct.  Words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace.  There are four elements-

  • Abstention from false speech that deliberately lies and deceives.
  • Abstention from slanderous speech and the malicious use of words against others.
  • Abstention from harsh words that offend or hurt others.
  • Abstention from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth.

Right Action

The second principle of ethical conduct.  Deeds are just as important as words.  Acting kindly and compassionately, being honest, respecting the belongings of others, and keeping sexual relationships harmless to others.  There are  three elements-

  • Abstention from harm, especially to abstain from taking life (including suicide) and doing harm intentionally or delinquently.
  • Abstention from taking what is not given, which includes stealing, robbery, fraud, deceitfulness, and dishonesty.
  • Abstention from sexual misconduct.

Right Livelihood

You should earn your living in a righteous way.  Wealth should be gained legally and peacefully.  Any occupation that would violate the principles of right speech and right action should be avoided, four are specifically mentioned-

  • Dealing in weapons.
  • Dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as well as slave trade and prostitution).
  • Working in meat production and butchery.
  • Selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol and drugs.

Right Effort

Mental energy is the force behind right effort.  The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness.  Without effort nothing can be achieved.  There are four elements of increasing difficulty-

  • Not developing new bad habits.
  • Abandoning old bad habits.
  • Developing good habits.
  • Maintaining and perfecting good habits.

Right Mindfulness

PAY ATTENTION!  Not just to the reality around you, but how you think about the reality around you and how that thinking shapes your actions.  You should actively control your thoughts.  There are four areas of which you should be aware-

  • Body
  • Emotion
  • State of Mind
  • Reality

Right Concentration

Concentration is mental force, one-pointedness of mind, meaning a state where all mental faculties are unified and directed onto one particular object.  Right Concentration is directed at the reduction of suffering.  Little things like the Four Noble Truths and the Eight Fold Way, so go back to the top and read it again.  I’ll wait.

You have not suffered enough!

What do you desire?

The wise man desires wisdom, but perhaps they’re a little biased.  Some people mistake Buddhists for pacifists when nothing could be further from the truth.

The cause of suffering is desire.  Desire for either existence or non-existence and only if you give up that desire can you get off the wheel.

Otherwise you’re forced to repeat that behavior until you get it right.

Call it Groundhog Day or Arrested Spiritual Development, it both amuses and saddens me to see the same old plays by the same old players.  All it really shows is that they’re not paying attention to the new reality.

You can’t hurt anyone here unless they let you.

All your most evil plans and machinations, your gangs and email circles and Wrongs! and Hides and all your hateful words can’t do a thing.

This is Right View, seeing things as they are, not as you wish them to be.

Most people here have Right Intention, a commitment to improvement.  They are people of good will, not into thinking or acting cruelly, violently, or aggressively and instead developing compassion.

They are committed to ethical conduct, of which one part is Right Speech.  Let’s review the elements-

  • Abstention from false speech that deliberately lies and deceives.
  • Abstention from slanderous speech and the malicious use of words against others.
  • Abstention from harsh words that offend or hurt others.
  • Abstention from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth.

Well, still working on that last one myself, unless you define it as gossip which some scholars do.

Another part of ethical conduct is Right Action– kindness and compassion, honesty, respecting the belongings of others, and keeping sexual relationships harmless to others.

If you don’t want to be ethical- leave.

If you don’t want to be here- leave.

We’re here to work on the last 4 parts of The Way.

If you are developing new bad habits.  If you are not abandoning old bad habits.  If you are not developing new good habits or maintaining and perfecting the same-

Leave.

Mental energy is the force behind right effort.  The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness.  Without effort nothing can be achieved.

If you’re not going to make an effort I’ll not waste any of mine on you.

If I see you misbehaving I’ll suspend you.  If a Contributing Editor complains about you in the Admin Forum I’ll suspend you.

First, no questions asked.

This is a temporary suspension.  The intention is to keep you from doing any more damage to yourself or others.  You will not be able to post (comments or essays) or rate.

A notification will be put up in the Admin Forum and as many Admins and Contributing Editors as care to contribute will discuss your case and debate the appropriate punishment.  This process may take 24 hours.

Most punishments will take the form of suspensions, either 2 days or 1 week.  You will not be able to post (comments or essays) or rate.  You may receive multiple suspensions and they may be greater or lesser depending on severity and frequency of the offense.  All Administrative Punishments will be reviewed by budhy.

Offensive Content

Offensive Content including but not limited to pornography, hate speech, spam, threats, disclosure of personal information,  plagiarism, and copyright violations will be removed and placed in storage for review by the Admins and Contributing Editors while they consider your temporary suspension.

Yes, that’s right, posting offensive content is grounds for immediate temporary suspension.

In the case of essays, a notice will replace the essay.  In the case of comments they will just disappear.

If it is budhy’s decision that the content is not too offensive it will be restored.  He will be advised by the Admins and Contributing Editors, but the final decision is his.  This process may take up to 24 hours.

Ratings Abuse

Laughable.  If you go around handing out Wrongs! and Hides like chiclets to your ideological and personal enemies all you be showing is the meritlessness of your position and the emptiness of your arguments.

You can not hurt them.

All you can do is claim the reputation of a mean, spiteful, hate filled person for yourself; a reputation you’ll undoubtedly deserve.

I encourage all of you who are not ratings abusers to treat this practice with the ridicule and derision it deserves.  It is so petty it is not worth punishing, it is beneath notice.

Transparency

The recommendations of Admins and Contributing Editors to budhy on disciplinary measures are private.  If an Admin or Contributing Editor wishes to make their own opinion public that’s their choice.  If an Admin or Contributing Editor chooses to make the opinions of another Admin or Contributing Editor public I will recommend to budhy that he consider whether they should continue in that position or not.

I think that any purpose served by publicly commenting that a temporary suspension is in effect is vastly outweighed by the damage done to that individual’s reputation.  Once an Administrative Punishment is decided on, the user should be notified by email.  I am open to the idea of public notification of an Administrative Punishment, but not in favor of it due to the reputation damage already cited.

I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me.

It is useless to complain about the ownership of a blog.  You either accept it or you don’t.  If you stay, you are their guest.  If they ask you to leave, you go- whether you want to or not.

I am an Admin, as are Turkana and On The Bus.  In my case I don’t owe my lofty position to anything at all except my good relationship with budhy so I don’t claim any superior merit.  Those who are Contributing Editors and Guest Bloggers were also hand picked by budhy for those positions.

Complaining that some animals are more equal than others is not Right View.  It is refusing to see things as they are and instead substituting what you wish they would be.

If your concern is that justice is not equally dispensed, essentially you’re contending that all 32 of us are being dishonest with you.

If you feel that way, why stay?

Why, why, I’ll go back to my blog and tell them all about what meanies you guys are!

So what?  I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me or say about me on some other blog.  If your whining martyrdom somehow advances your personal agenda I’d expect nothing less of a disingenuous opportunist like yourself.

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  1. Not that I care.

  2. you know…if you dont include a picture of a bleeding child, people will question your motives.

    it doesnt matter what you saaaay…that picture proves that youre the purest of purists…or something….

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    helpful guidance ek. not that you give a rat’s ass about what i think about you or this essay.

    • Robyn on September 20, 2007 at 8:17 pm

    Never know when to laugh (always) or at what (eveything).

    ,-o

  4. You lost me at:

    Renouncing Desire

    Dude, the day I renounce desire is the day they’ll burn me and spread my ashes to the winds.

    I love the feeling of desire. In the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening and through the night.

    I embrace desire. It is my friend.

    That said – message received.

    I’ll be nice 🙂

  5. This is exactly Right!

    Blessings!

  6. In the interest of the hobgoblin of consistency.

    Yesterday I stated that no one but I would be administering any disciplinary action for the next couple of weeks. That is in reference to your statement on suspension.

    This in no way is a reflection on the character of anyone else. It is merely an effort to reassure folks that chaos does not and will not reign here.

    I trust all the admins implicitly to do the right thing, again this temporary policy is just to establish a bit of stability.

    • snud on September 20, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    Or is that putting Descartes before duh horse?

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    Ahh, speaking of horses – How about those Budweiser Clydesdales! But I digress while making myself thirsty…

    And while I’m ranting nonsensically, can’t we “upgrade” from a “Pony” to a Clydesdale in the ratings?

    Maybe add it on in addition to a pony? I’m sure Buhdy will make this suggestion a top priority!

    (Don’t worry… My doc says they’ll get my meds right any day now)

  7. …in a disciplinary decision, all I can say is that I am quite happy having that be in y’all’s hands.  And I hate giving advice, but if y’all ever want to ask, I’ll do my best.

    And I don’t much care what any of you think of me either.  That being said, I’ll ask please that folks refrain from pursuing me outside of this blog.  I’d really hate to have to return that favor, and I assure you that all of us have much better things to do.

  8. can I remain a carnivore and still be here?

  9. So noted…

  10. Good Will- Resistance to feelings of anger and aversion.

    It seems to me that forgiveness would fall here.

    A willingness to forgive the transgressions of others.

    Forgiveness, it seems to me, can be more easily nurtured when we recognize that the object of our forgiveness is generally a person of good will.

    Or when we recognize that the reason for the transgression, however egregious, is at least understandable in the light of events.

    But this requires, it seems to me, a willingness to forgo pride.

    Are we willing to do so?

    None of us are perfect… god knows I’m not… but I remain hopeful.

    {Of course, if you disagree I fully intend to kick your ass!}

    ;O)

  11. not that it matters

    • RiaD on September 20, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    I refuse to be ‘right’ in any form.
    I think the Four Noble Truths & the Eight Fold Way is the correct way to live. I thought this before I found Buddhism. I try to live it & have taught my children this.
    I believe each person is special because of who they are, their uniqueness is irreplaceable.
      To be unique you can’t be right but you can be correct.

  12. and I like your essay about the path

    If anyone disagrees with me they can tell me I’m Wrong!–without telling me I’m a bad person.

    • d3n4l1 on September 20, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    “All it really shows is that they’re not paying attention to the new reality.”

    There is no reality.

    • pfiore8 on September 20, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    … yes, i do

    it’s desire AND attachment

    You should see and understand things as they are before seeing things the way you’d like them to be…  if you can’t imagine more than what is, then what is will be all you ever get

    • d3n4l1 on September 20, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    Because copying and pasting a bunch of tenets is not what Buddhism is about.  It’s not about enforcing your phenomena on others.  It’s not about enforcing any phenomena. 

    If you want change be the change you want.

    • coyote on September 21, 2007 at 12:11 am

    Complaining that some animals are more equal than others is not Right View.  It is refusing to see things as they are and instead substituting what you wish they would be.

    Merits of that particular complaint (Animal Farm) aside, in your interpretation of Right View, one should never speak out against the way things are, because “it is refusing to see things as they are and instead substituting what you wish they would be.”  Thus, in your interpretation, the Dalai Lama is not practicing Right View when he speaks against war and advocates world peace.  Gotcha.

    • pyrrho on September 21, 2007 at 12:17 am

    I don’t understand why publicly giving the cause of suspension is damaging to the reputation of someone any more than their sudden silence is.

    it’s just a blog, you might have a wierd or even bad reason to suspend someone, but you have, and so the best thing is to give the reason… private discipline is to protect the watchers from being watched, in general, not the subject of the discipline.

    • pico on September 21, 2007 at 1:26 am

    for the non-Buddhist atheists like me, we’re all good.

    • Cheryl on September 21, 2007 at 2:30 am

    “You should see and understand things as they are, not as you would wish them to be.”

    “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.

    “Good Will- Resistance to feelings of anger and aversion.”

    “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.

    “Abstention from harsh words that offend or hurt others.”

    “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.

    “Acting kindly and compassionately”

    “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.

    “Mental energy is the force behind right effort.  The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness.”

    “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.

    Most people here have Right Intention, a commitment to improvement.  They are people of good will, not into thinking or acting cruelly, violently, or aggressively and instead developing compassion.

    ROFL~!!!! You’re a bunch of Kossaks gone mad as hatters is what ya are~! Need ‘mo power?

    “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.

    “They are committed to ethical conduct, of which one part is Right Speech.  Let’s review the elements-
    • Abstention from false speech that deliberately lies and deceives.
    • Abstention from slanderous speech and the malicious use of words against others.
    • Abstention from harsh words that offend or hurt others.
    • Abstention from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth.”

    OMG~! I can’t wait until you start devouring each other! Hahahhaaa~!

    “Another part of ethical conduct is Right Action- kindness and compassion, honesty,…”

    “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.

    “If you are developing new bad habits.  If you are not abandoning old bad habits.  If you are not developing new good habits or maintaining and perfecting the same-

    Leave.

    •  Good Will- Resistance to feelings of anger and aversion.
    •  Harmlessness- Not thinking or acting cruelly, violently, or aggressively and instead developing compassion.”

    Again~! ROFL~! What? Are the 32 of you going to set up a confession exchange? lmao~!

    “If I see you misbehaving I’ll suspend you.If a Contributing Editor complains about you in the Admin Forum I’ll suspend you.”

    Not ME, motherfucker~!

    “A notification will be put up in the Admin Forum and as many Admins and Contributing Editors as care to contribute will discuss your case and debate the appropriate punishment. This process may take 24 hours.

    Most punishments will take the form of suspensions, either 2 days or 1 week.  You will not be able to post (comments or essays) or rate.  You may receive multiple suspensions and they may be greater or lesser depending on severity and frequency of the offense

    All Administrative Punishments will be reviewed by budhy.

    Fuck you man, and fuck your “punishments”. Who the fuck do you think you are?

    This sounds like Abu Grahib~! Again, fuck you I say~! And (!) the 32 of your asshole brownshirt compatriots~!

    “Words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace”.

    “If it is budhy’s decision that the content is not too offensive it will be restored.  He will be advised by the Admins and Contributing Editors, but the final decision is his.  This process may take up to 24 hours.”

    Yeah, right…budhy’s your fucking scapegoat.

    You’re a bunch of incestous lightweights.

    FUCK YOU ALL~!

    Stick buhdy up your tight assholes~!

    I encourage all of you who are not ratings abusers to treat this practice with the ridicule and derision it deserves.  It is so petty it is not worth punishing, it is beneath notice.

    Oh! More “punishing”~! Fuck you again~! Fuck you six ways to Sunday!

    “The recommendations of Admins and Contributing Editors to budhy on disciplinary measures are private.  If an Admin or Contributing Editor wishes to make their own opinion public that’s their choice.  If an Admin or Contributing Editor chooses to make the opinions of another Admin or Contributing Editor public I will recommend to budhy that he consider whether they should continue in that position or not.”

    You know what I can’t wait to see? When you weirdos start up on each other~! And you will, mark it well. Now THAT will be fun to watch~! You will fight and tear each other limb from limb, know why?  Because you’re all control freaks, and there will come a time you will not be able to speak with one, boring, banal voice. After you have rid yourselves of ANY dissent, you’ll go after each other. LOL~!

    “If your concern is that justice is not equally dispensed, essentially you’re contending that all 32 of us are being dishonest with you.

    If you feel that way, why stay?”

    Not only are you dishonest, but boors as well. I’m outta here. So fuck you attempting to “punish” or “dise” me, motherfuckers~!

    One last thing.

    I truly think all you fucks are sick, twisted and beyond strange. 

    1. usually bring their own suffering to the table.

        • d3n4l1 on September 21, 2007 at 4:14 am

        is caused by your understanding this as an attack on Ek.  If you removed that from your understanding you will have a clearer understanding.

        Ek has proclaimed himself an instrument of this site’s policies, and then expresses those policies with a listing Buddhist principles.

        I have mostly been talking about the suffering caused to me at Daily Kos, of which Ek is an extension of, not about myself, and not about Ek, and how that suffering is incompatible with the principles expoused in this Diary as administrative policy, of which Ek is an extension of. 

        Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it is dishonest or has underhanded motives.  Isn’t that where many of our problems come from anyways?

        1. “Why mommy, why?”

          You’ve not read a single response and your arguments are self contradictory and incohertent.  You have no interest in truth or self discovery.  You are deceitful and dishonest.

          Want some more?

          You’re ignorant and disingenuous, a liar and a waste of time.

          Leave.

  13. thank you…..

  14. Funny — this makes me understand you less, not more.  So of course I am even more curious about you.

    I’m not interested in debating the right path or the four noble truths and I am also not interested in what the belief systems of different posters here are.

    The bottom line to me is will all of us who have been asked to be either contributing editors or admins. work as hard as we can to foster an environment worthy of the good folks who have decided to post here?

    Because that is our responsibility now.  That’s the bottom line, to me.

    Don’t have to understand everything you say to dig you, ek.  But I admit, you have made me personally curious by writing this essay.

    • d3n4l1 on September 21, 2007 at 3:41 am

    neither is Ek Hornbeck.

    So I’m back where I started.

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