Sunday Morning Not Funnies: Rahm Speaks

( – promoted by ek hornbeck)

Or misspeaks, perhaps.

Or ABC News “This Week” online headline reads:

“Obama Administration: No Prosecution of Officials for Bush-Era Torture Policy

Rahm Emanuel on This Week

says: No Prosecution of Officials for Bush-Era Torture Policy.

another link, more general to the ABC show

GS: I asked [Rahm] Emanuel: “The president has ruled out prosecution for CIA officials who believed they were following the law. Does he believe that the officials who devised the policies should be immune from prosecution?

Recommend this diary and this one too.

News when I can get over my outrage.- ek hornbeck

[Rahm] Emanuel: “He believes that, look, as you saw in that statement he wrote, let’s just take a step back. He came up with this and worked on this for about four weeks. Wrote that statement Wednesday night after he had made his decision and dictated what he wanted to see. And Thursday morning I saw him in the office, he was still editing it. He believes that people in good faith were operating with the guidance they were provided,” Emanuel said.

What about those who devised the policy, I asked?

“Yeah, but those who devised the policy, he believes that they were, should not be prosecuted either,” Emanuel said.

“And it’s not the place that we go, and as he said in that letter, and I would really recommend people  look at the full statement, not the letter, the statement, and that second paragraph: “This is not a time for retribution. It’s a time for reflection. It’s not a time to use our energy and our time in looking back and in a sense of anger and retribution.’ We have a lot to do to protect America. But what people need to know? This practice and technique, we don’t use anymore. We banned it.”

Not sure (I still have to re-listen to the video clip!) but here’s this from the NYT I think George referred to:

NYT, US Politics

“The thing we still don’t know about him is what he is willing to fight for,” said Leonard Burman, an economist at the Urban Institute and a Treasury Department official in the Clinton administration. “The thing I worry about is that he likes giving good speeches, he likes the adulation and he likes to make people happy.”

So far, he said, “It’s hard to think of a place where he’s taken a really hard position.”

In some of his earliest skirmishes, Mr. Obama eventually chose pragmatism over fisticuffs.

and we also have this, from today’s NYT Op Ed:

The Torturers’ Manifesto

The Americans Civil Liberties Union deserves credit for suing for the memos’ release. And President Obama deserves credit for overruling his own C.I.A. director and ordering that the memos be made public. It is hard to think of another case in which documents stamped “Top Secret” were released with hardly any deletions.

But this cannot be the end of the scrutiny for these and other decisions by the Bush administration.

Until Americans and their leaders fully understand the rules the Bush administration concocted to justify such abuses – and who set the rules and who approved them – there is no hope of fixing a profoundly broken system of justice and ensuring that that these acts are never repeated.

Man, I hate politics.



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  1. Lady Libertine



  2. Edger

    It’s not hard to think of a place where he’s taken a really hard position.

    He is protecting Bush and Cheney. He is on Bush and Cheney’s side.

    He is protecting war criminals.

    Law, shmaw. Law is for peasants.

    But hey, he shook Chevez’s hand and smiled at him.

    That should count for something, yes? Like Venezuelan oil?

    It’s sunday, and it’s not funny.

  3. Lady Libertine

    go post this over at the orange amongst the crickets.

    (and Valtin who’s trying!)

    Gimme me a few minutes and I will.

  4. Lady Libertine

    now up at the orange.

  5. rb137

    I’m going to climb a big hill in North Cascades National Park today and regroup. Peace to you and everyone here. We all need to recharge.

    I love your peace sign.

  6. dharmasyd

    …our mistakes, admit that our prosecutions under Nuremberg and all the other trials outlined by Valtin were really misguided.

    We should have taken 1945 and after as a time for reflection, not retribution.  

    After all there was so much to do back then, rebuild an entire continent and most of a second, provide for the veterans, re-tool the post war economy.

    Wouldn’t we have been better off if we had looked forward then instead of revisiting the past with retributive trials.

    Sorry BO, the buck has stops here.  You get no change.  There is no going forward till the wrongs of the past are held to account.


  7. Nightprowlkitty

    … to get this through my brain … have rarely felt this kind of denial before – ought to volunteer myself as a case study or something.

    Valtin hints over at the orange that something’s coming out  next week that will really cause a shitstorm.  Pictures?  I dunno.

    I just can’t believe they won’t prosecute anyone.  My brain will not grok this.  I want to hear it from Holder’s mouth and from Obama’s mouth.

    This is unbelievable.  And Rahm’s transparently idiotic reasoning is creepy as hell.  It makes zero sense.

    Well this isn’t a very useful comment, but there you are.

  8. Lady Libertine

    Ill try to pop back in…. Sunday afternoon getting busy at teh casa.

  9. robodd

    Jonathan Turley:


  10. taoskier

    In his heart he is a DLC guy, as an investment banker made $16.5 million in 2.5 years after Clinton administration.

    Don’t trust him.

  11. quince

    Absolutely crushed. I’m probably done with dems.  

  12. Lasthorseman

    But I see no difference in the staff picture of Rahm Emanual.


  13. rb137

    If more people cared about this, they would be willing to prosecute.

  14. Edger

    then America is.

  15. tahoebasha3

    Soooo good!

    Doncha’ think people need to understand that you really, really, can’t sweep “FILTH” under the rug — it will ALWAYS come up as “FILTH” to haunt you in the future?

  16. Lady Libertine

    I think valtin mayve hinted about the SASC which is, I think, Senate Armed Forces (Services?) Committee something… Levin?

  17. Lady Libertine
  18. robodd

    If Obama wants to excuse war crimes, he can take the personal responsibility and pardon Bush and these officials – tying his own legacy to the commission of torture. However, his blocking of an investigation is an international outrage and puts us into the same category as countries like Serbia. Obama has the authority to pardon crimes, not obstruct efforts to investigate crimes for political purposes. This may not be politically advantageous for Obama, but these treaties do not exist for his comfort or advantage. We made a pledge to the world that we would aggressively pursue any war criminals – even if they happened to be made in the America.

  19. Nightprowlkitty

    That makes more sense than my guess, lol.

  20. Lady Libertine

    I dont trust him.

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