America’s Elite Are Immoral

Simulposted at Daily Kos

Yes it is true.

America’s Financial Elite are immoral and avaricious. Willing to kill people rather than pay for them to be healed, willing to throw people out of their homes as they bet against, and thus effect, the economy that puts the food on our tables for our children to eat.

America’s military elite are immoral. Willing to cover up massacres and atrocities, pushing for ever more, endless war to ‘keep them in business.’ Willing to engage in torture. Engaging in a deeply corrupt contracting and appropriations process that soaks the life out of our economy, corrupts the halls of power, and makes war necessary in order to justify America spending more money on the business of killing people than nearly all of the rest of the world put together. This huge section of our corrupt economy, at the end of the day has only one purpose: Killing people.

America’s Intelligence elite are immoral and always have been. From overthrowing governments to torture and assassination.

America’s Industrial elite are immoral. Willing to send the vital jobs that support our economy and our families overseas to make a few more pennies. Willing to knowingly hire undocumented workers for the same reason. And that reason is not the excuse they use of the ‘survival’ of their industries, but for higher profits for themselves. Just as is the all too prevalent practice of using complicated tax accounting to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Just as is the practice of firing older workers and hiring part time help to avoid paying benefits. And perhaps most harmful of all, busting the unions that made sure that workers shared in the profits of industry.

America’s political elite are immoral. From selling their votes to the financial elite to literally looking the other way (Look Forward)after America has tortured and waged an immoral war that killed up to a million innocent people. From rigging elections outright to gerrymandering districts to keep themselves in power. From placing political considerations above doing the right thing….to just outright doing things that are wrong, like keeping equal rights from one segment of America’s population.

There is undoubtedly a clear and deeply immoral component of our political elite: The Republican Party. They blatantly serve and are owned by the segment of the population, the 1%, that drive the rampant immorality. Their unified vote yesterday to allow the immorality of Wall St. to proceed unchecked is bald faced proof of that. But corruption unopposed, spreads. Compromising with immorality is immoral. Not calling out and calling out criminality is criminal. And once compromised with, once excused, once allowed, corruption is insidious. Compromising with corruption corrupts the compromisers. By definition.

America’s media elite are immoral and dishonest. Willing to give us the news that sells rather than the news that portrays the world as it is. Rather than give us the information on just how immoral the rest of our nation’s elite really is, thus allowing us to actually DO something with the information. The information that they don’t give us.

And the elite all excuse each others immorality. Excuse it, gloss over it, ignore it and pretend that what they are doing is not immoral. Because doing anything else, such as confronting each others immorality and greed would mean facing their own.

And it is all very “pragmatic.”

“Pragmatic” has become a word that’s currently translates into ‘accepting corruption.” Accepting greed. Accepting immorality.

As ‘pragmatism’ has become a revered word and moral stance, somehow purity has simultaneously become a reviled word and moral stance.

Greed is immoral. Greed pursued to the point of killing innocents, whether through war or cancellation of insurance policies or providing unsafe workplaces like coal mines is deeply immoral. As is taking away people’s jobs or turning them out of their homes purely for profit.

When a societies elite become corrupt and immoral, the society itself becomes corrupt and immoral. When the most powerful society on the planet becomes corrupt and immoral, that corruption and immorality spreads to other societies who are in competition with that society.

The People of America are a moral people and they are now, as it can no longer be denied or excused just how immoral and corrupt the elite have become starting to call them to account.

There is however a very real problem. The corruption of the elite has become so pervasive and accepted….that there is no longer any standard of morality. No valid moral code, ethic or standard to hold them to.

And in perhaps the most immoral act of all, this greed, corruption, and immorality are now imminently threatening the health and safety of the planet itself. And thus ALL of humanity.


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  1. buhdydharma


  2. Lasthorseman


    And taking ET home.



  3. Compound F

    The hardest thing in the world is to develop feeling once you’ve lost it.

    It’s hard to pretend to care.

  4. MinistryOfTruth

    The wealthiest .1% are ruining the planet for the other 99.99% of it’s inhabitants.

    I laugh when I hear Corporatists decry entitlement, for who is more entitled then the wealthiest among us?

    A pony for my friends here at DD, who I sorely missed

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  5. tahoebasha3

    You been keepin’ notes? :)

    “. . . . . pragmatic men of power have had no time or inclination to deal with . . . social morality — K. B. Clark”*

    GREED has no conscience,thus, GREED has no self-limits or boundaries.  Greed, once unleashed cannot be trusted to be self-governing. REASON NUMBER ONE FOR REGULATIONS!  

    *[I believe this is the K. B. Clark


  6. Shaharazade

    they have the consent of the people. I was warned today for uprating someone who said what Budhy is saying that elites including Obama are immoral and do not deserve respect just because they are/were the winners between the immoral and the more obvious immoral.. What have we won? If it has no basis in morality or common good or even simple decency, why support or empower it? Morality is not just a meme (God how I hate that word) it is universal tenets that humans over the eons have figured out and really always know as they are wired in our DNA. We cannot just say we are governed by immoral elites as we consent to their immorality and call it better then or politics or reality. Sure the outcome of withdrawing consent is scary but it is inescapable one way or another morality/reality will assert it’s necessity as it truly is by-partisan and cares little about lame excuses political or even societal.          

  7. rossl

    It’s not just the Republicans, budhy!

  8. Edger

    A renewable resource, right?

    After all, all they ever do is smell, consume and complain, but they love easy credit, and the best thing about them is that the keep on making even more peasants, which gives them them a purpose in life, right?

    Those mountains of bodies for the elites to climb over on their way to the top of the heap have to come from somewhere, right?

    Is there a problem? Free enterprise is it’s own morality, no?

  9. taoskier

    ….the images of whole familiies blown to shreds by Predator drones he ordered into action, causing him to toss and turn, to pace the halls of the WhiteHouse at 3 am?. I don’t think he does.

    These elites, such as Obama, have a self-reinforcing reality that excludes feelings of shame, of accountability and the vision and awareness to say, “we don’t have a clue, we are lost”.

  10. Activist Guy

    They’ve perverted the concept of pragmatism.

    Real pragmatism, the practice and philosophy that gives pragmatism a worthy and respected aura, is this:  “to be flexible in the means of achieving desirable ends.”  But they’ve twisted that all around into being “changing ones goals and purposes to suit the most convenient means, whether that convenience of means is simply laziness or personal enrichment and career advantage.”

     Pragmatism in the true sense requires no less effort than unadulterated idealism, perhaps even more effort, because the point of the flexibility of means was to make the desired ends more attainable.  Therefore it carries the responsibility to ensure those ends are in fact achieved.  Instead this phony pragmatism is an excuse to do nothing but feather their own beds.

  11. Eddie C

    The only group there that are paid not to be immoral is America’s political elite and they are the only ones that are in a position to set standards of morality.

    I don’t expect anything but self will run riot from bankers, industrialist or warmongers. They only answer to shareholders. It turns out that I was really being naive expecting that the people who are paid by taxpayers would do anything to control their fellow elitist.    

    So basically the corruption of the elite is caused by the elected official and when they are getting on their high horse with Goldman Sachs I’m screaming at the real culprits “How much did they pay you to pass Gramm-Leach-Bliley?” and “Who legalized these gambling talking points of yours.”

    To tell the truth I like the bankers better. At least they are doing their jobs.  

  12. banger

    What do we mean by morality? We haven’t really thought about that here. What is the basis of moral action. Is morality governed by Natural Law, for example as many conservative moralists claim. Is it utilitarian? You see where I’m going. There has to be a basis for morality and I’m afraid that in our culture there is no rational basis for morality or at least a confused and non-tenable basis for morality.

    I have my own view of morality and that is that whatever expands consciousness and awareness is moral. I have to define these terms and I will but not in this post.

    By any standard that I can think of the American people, as a whole, are deeply immoral. I claim, as I often to here, that our leadership honestly reflects the values of the American people. The Wall Street greed is the greed and fear I see on people’s faces every day. Of course that’s not all there is to people–but when push comes to shove most people will sell their mothers down the road, so to speak, for an opportunity to indulge their favorite fantasy which often involves money. I think this is more the case these days than when I was growing up.

    I don’t believe the people at Goldman or Congress or in the oligarchy are worse people than the average person. More ruthless and gutsy and smart maybe–but not worse. The sewer that is the collective American mind can be found on cable TV and in movies where force, violence, macho, as well as using sexual allure to get what you want are all praised and deemed to be virtues that the young ought to emulate. That’s what I see as being the dominant trend. Oh yeah, and a reall big dose of hypocrisy thrown in.

    Let’s stop blaming the oligarchs and admit that they reflect the values of the culture as a whole.

  13. wilberforce

    things we ought to be bringing to the public, and so rarely do.

    I see the response on DK has been cough, and change the subject.

    Let’s be plain: the military, and military leadership is fucking immoral. All the guys making money from killing, from the owners of General Dynmaics to lowly god damned grunt are immoral.

    Obama, and the Democrats are fucking immoral too.

  14. gottlieb



  15. jamess

    intense line of reasoning, buhdy.

    And very insightful too,

    (assuming “morality” is an ideal, society can agree on,

    to some “pragmatic” degree, lol.)

  16. AmericanRiverCanyon


    As always, I do not uprate comments here in case others be the target of hit lists and retaliation-  they’ll have to create other excuses.

    I do believe in a greater consciousness and a shared vision of equality and justice.  

  17. buhdydharma

    no one else does.

    If we all start ‘pretending’ to care, maybe it will catch on!

  18. tahoebasha3

    There are those who have become hardened to the point of a loss of feeling and doing whatever is of no consequence to their feelings or otherwise, since they’ve long forsaken them.

    And then there are those who become “numbed” to that which they feel they can do nothing about and simply turn their heads the other way — maybe, it’s a form of nature’s self-protection kinda’ thing.

    And then there’s the rest . . . . . . !!!!!!!

  19. Shaharazade

    who are of good intentions are not hardened but delusional. Armando used to call me delusional and I would take umbrage but he was right. I was delusional not as the Democratic voters are now but as to believing that we could all stop this via our political process if we would just form coalitions. We did we took down the Bushies.

    Now we have a whole new set of delusions, that requires we abandon principles and basic morality. The ethics and morality that our ancestors made centuries ago and humans have worked hard to establish as a basis for governance. We have abandoned our morals and our sacred document we inherited under the guise of better then or political reality. We worship winning we exalt fear, killing and power.

    Feeling good about winning is the new morality and the new reality. No one likes to admit they were bamboozled or that they have to take on established power and bring it down, with drew their consent let alone ‘support’.. Everyone especially Americans wants to be the good. The ironic part is this won’t keep the power they so delusional think they have won. Reality always rears it’s non partisan head. Immorality is not pragmatic karma is. Let it rip.      

  20. Dameocrat

    and the republicans are servants  of the elites and can’t be trusted!

  21. tahoebasha3

    Yes, obviously, some form of self-delusionment and/or just “following the leader” leads well-intentioned people to hardening.  The “dollar” is the gawd in this country, capitalism, you know, thus, . . . . . !  Assuming that an individual has a core to begin with, i.e., morals, conscience, etc., the first time that person “sells out” usually isn’t the last time, and then he becomes “lost” to himself.  But that understanding really doesn’t help those who suffer because of such individuals. And, yes, we’ve always had them, but they are now the controlling factors, aince we don’t abide by any laws, domestic or international, except as pertains to us poor slobs who might commit even the most minor of offenses.

    Yes, the “new” morality that the elitists attempt to imbue within our own thinking as something O.K.  Like Cheney running around the country, on TV, espousing the “benefits” of torture, that anything and everything that we do is O.K. because we’re fighting the “war on terra.”   You get the idea, it’s a clear attempt to “brainwash” the citizenry that laws, morals, nothing else matters.

    We worship winning we exalt fear, killing and power.

    This is not something new with us, but with the advent of the Bush Administration, the complete lack of regard for “life” was sped up and even flaunted, in measure. And, despite screaming about everything for all these years, nothing has been done to counter it, thus, tending to create a form of “suppression,” and most certainly, a kind of low-grade nagging depression.

    I’m with you, I don’t see how on earth we can continue down this venomous, vicious cycle of killing, torturing, maiming, committing war crimes left and right, and rendering our own citizenry impoverished without “karma” having its say.  I hope it’s not in the form of some vengeance of global warming and any manifestations thereto.


  22. RUKind

    It’s a joke – and the punchline is below the belt.

    Get used to it. There’s 300+ million of us and less than a million of them.

    We need lawyers, guns and money.

  23. tahoebasha3

    There are bunches of us that have been “screaming” for a long, long time now, in enumerable ways, within “legal” limits — we’ve been heard, we’ve simply been ignored.  The problem the numbers are not there — there are just not enough people willing to fight.  But as things get worse and there’s less and less to lose, that will probably change.

  24. sharon

    in a comment?  by mb?

  25. TMC

    to your comment?  

  26. Lady Libertine

    I think he addresses that (cloaked a bit, for a particular audience perhaps) here:

    But corruption unopposed, spreads. Compromising with immorality is immoral. Not calling out and calling out criminality is criminal. And once compromised with, once excused, once allowed, corruption is insidious. Compromising with corruption corrupts the compromisers. By definition.

    and also here

    From selling their votes to the financial elite to literally looking the other way (Look Forward)after America has tortured and waged an immoral war that killed up to a million innocent people. … From placing political considerations above doing the right thing….to just outright doing things that are wrong, like keeping equal rights from one segment of America’s population.

  27. Lady Libertine

    because Daddy MB said we HAVE to warn you first before we blast the bejeezuz out of you…. with this HR … (as if the HR is some kind of lethal weapon and s/b used to meter out punishment for wrong-THINKING).

    They still dont get it.

    They still think it about “civility”.

  28. Lady Libertine

    this one???

  29. TMC

    The second paragraph was especially off the wall

  30. Shaharazade

    any comments I made it was for uprating a comment in a diary that was saying that people on dkos should stop speaking Palineze or Luntzese by the Termite, Hopey changey and Barry being  offensive racist? language. I uprated this comment because it got 31 HR’s I thought it was appropriate given the nasty nature of the whole concept that people are not allowed to use words that the bots decide are right wing?. As for racist I don’t call Obama Barry cause he’s not my pal and I could careless about his preferences in nicknames, but it never occurred to me that this was racist.

    I think that the royalists have gotten to a point where they are exactly like the Republicans and do not care about morality or even the law. The irony is that these people who call themselves Democrats and progressives are not interested in what is going on with the government they are just interested in attacking any one or group that does. The warning stuck me as absurd considering the nastiness that went on yesterday. These two legs better thugs have a lot of nerve. They call out people for using Republican language at the same time they are running around demanding we obey their dictates of what we are allowed to say about the elites and their king. Liberals are not welcome. Screw that.      



  31. Shaharazade

    TV it really gives you a tainted perspective on life and people. We are all a mixed bag ass far as venality and morality goes. There are many sides to our culture which cannot really be considered a whole as it is huge, regionally and even tribally. The media cheapens life and plays to the lowest common denominator, it’s calculated idiocracy. It’s sole purpose is to sell to the ‘masses’ products, celebrity, fear and propaganda. I do not believe that we the people, young and old and in between are what the TV tells us we are. The people had enough morality to finally kick out the Bushies.

    The majority are not the crazies, or the greedy, despite the pictures painted by the powers that be. There is no collective mind, just shattered images of our worst and best characteristics as a culture and people used as a mirror to keep us from a consensus that would demand both common good and sane governance. Basic morality as far as laws and governance do not require that we all attain expanded consciousness, we have the foundation in our documents and our mixed heritage. What we don’t have is anyway to effect a centralized corporate immoral government that has ceased to function for or by anything but immorality.                    

  32. metamars

    Maybe mostly. But if there was no difference between the oligarchic class and that of us “little people”, why would the oligarchs, and the Mandarins that server them, have to lie so often? And what about all the lying by omission? Do you really think that most American already know about Depleted Uranium, and are just fine with it?

    If you claim that all of us little people really know that the oligarchs and Madarins are lying, then why bother with the lying, to begin with?

  33. banger

    I have a pretty extensive view of people from very humble to the ruling circles. I find little difference among all in terms of morality. People differ widely in terms of personality but the fact of the matter is that Americans, on the whole, choose to shield their eyes from unpleasant truths  not matter how obvious. This choice smacks of cowardice in my view and it is more widespread now than at any time in my memory.

    People are responsible for the leaders they vote for. They are responsible for the jobs they take and the choices they make. People choose to work for destructive corporations because they want a comfortable life so, again, they hide from the reality and rationalize their choices. I’ve made similar choices myself but I face it and don’t run from it.

    People have chosen for decades to ignore clear facts about our economic, political and cultural environment. People chose to buy polluting vehicles and to commute to work on highways. People choose to watch TV instead of informing themselves about what is really going on because they don’t want to know what is going on.

    Expanding our consciousness is a requirement. It is not an option if we are to solve the major problems we face. Living the American lifestyle is not sustainable any more yet the people, on the whole don’t want to hear it.

    I’m kind of immoral too and I love people who are. But the first step is to admit it. Admit that we make decisions based on self-interest not public interest nor spiritual interest. The oligarchs are not worse than we are–that’s my point really.

  34. banger

    in fact–but subconsciously they know enough to not want to know the facts. My larger point is that most Americans don’t want to know the facts about nearly everything but want to live in a fantasy world. This tendency is increasing. It is not even a left/right phenomenum but exists across the political spectrum.

    The oligarchs have similar values to the average person in general in my view which is why Americans have such an affection for the very rich–if they had the opportunity they wold act exactly like the rich only with a lower standard of “good taste.” As has often been commented on Americans believe they “could” get rich even though the evidence shows that there is relatively little social mobility in the United States outside of immigrant groups.

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