Actually, this is a good thing.

Are ‘grand bargains’ still possible?

By Chris Cillizza, The Washington Post

Jan 06, 2013 06:14 PM EST

Here’s a radical idea: What if a “grand bargain” – or any sort of large legislative measure requiring significant bipartisan compromise – simply isn’t possible anymore?

There’s plenty of reason to believe that the idea that the government can, will – or even wants to – rise to the occasion (as Boehner and Obama have advocated in recent days) is a total fallacy.

All signs point to the fact that if the grand bargain isn’t dead, it’s darn close. Miraculous comebacks happen in politics, which makes it worth watching, but they are the exception, not the rule. Given that, it may be time to accept that the idea of Washington doing big things in a bipartisan way is a thing of the past – perhaps never to be recovered.

Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.


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  1. ek hornbeck
  2. Lasthorseman

    And I think Frank Zappa said something about politics being the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex?  Soo much second veil crap, so little time.  Hmmm.  Washington Post? Lamestream/propaganda matrix machine.  OK, so if I fully embrace the likes of Alex Jones, well it’s kind of like a different kind of fear based news.  Instead of a fiscal cliff we are falling off the liberty cliff and or to a huge majority if you can’t “tweet” it in 140 words or less it is irrelevant.  Did I tell you I had 666 Farcebook related emails?  This is a conflict for me, being a supposed Jedi master/light worker and all on top of that an advocate against such time wasting Charolette Iserbytian mechanisms of population dumbing down.  It is kind of a research project about the specific evils of electronic social media as it relates to the “Illuminati” plan to destroy America.  Sounds a tad “right wing” don’t it but don’t despair.  I have to reject both world net daily and the great orange satan and search for sanity in something else like exo/deep politics, the secret space program or our spiritual ascention(which didn’t happen) on 12/21/2012.

    So we are stuck with….being here….being us?

    We now have a total of nine, count em, nine Apocalyptic Horses at the new Apocalypse Ranch.  Something has to give here.  Feed bill getting expensive.

  3. banger

    Cillizza, and others, have begun to see that the country is hopelessly divided so it is natural for bi-partisan bargains not to happen. But let’s be clear here–the “compromise” is not something that is up to Congress but to those who pull the strings. We have seen a real struggle for power over the past decade.

    On one side are the right-wing billionares who want to destroy civil society and institute a neofeudal order essentially making most of us virtual serfs as many of us already are. Another side, represented by Obama and much of official Washington wants to create a neofeudal-lite system where a strong middle-class is maintained but all the decision-making power is reserved for an oligarchs class–in other words the same people who have been in power for a long time–these people are pure neoliberals. Then there is another side of the oligarchy that represents newer industries based on technology, knowledge, globalism, who want to pen up the marketplace to reform the marketplace, particularly regulation to allow real competition and real innovation–they believe that the U.S. economy is controlled by forces who are vested rather than innovative and competitive–i.e., they use government to limit innovation (for example, through our absurdly regressive copyright laws) through regualtions written by lobbyists. Generally these people are also neoliberals but because they are steeped in the knowledge and technology industries they favor systems solutions not resolving differences through gang-warfare or all-out war. They are in stark contrast to the two other groups I’ve mentioned.

    On the sideline, “the people” as such are not important but things have gotten so bad from the relentless efforts of the ultra rightists that the right has now become a coherent culture not with any particular goals but with a desire to live in a world of stark contrast–they require an evil “them” in opposition to a good “us.” They need to live a completely conformist life–to march in lock step with their fellows in an morally ambiguous world and they will have to be dealt with somehow because they are solidly anti-modern, clearly fascist and unable to compromise. Thankfully, most of them are utterly ignorant of the world and just plain stupid but they could be a very destructive force. My guess is that many of them will begin to peel of of this army of the righteous and go home and deal and ultimately leave the field. My guess is that we will see a more moderate Congress this year after the dust settles. I believe the techies and the centrists will make an alliance and start demonizing the right and be more sympathetic to the left since it is, at this time, utternly unthreatening.

  4. terryhallinan

    is not nearly as colorful as the Nicaraguan division between the revolutionary Sandinistas and the unregenerate Somocistas.

    How does Nicaragua manage?

    Quite well actually.

    Years ago the convicted head of the Somocistas, under whatever name, was released from house arrest for corruption to gain more co-operation in the complete destruction of the liberals and the remaining shards of democracy in the country.

    Latinos seem to be more realistic about what is happening in their country.

    Hell, most any people are.

    Do any people anywhere this side of North Korea live in more of a fairy tale land than Americans?

    Best,  Terry

  5. tahoebasha3

    Anyway, he saw it all long ago!

  6. tahoebasha3

    Frank Zappa was a very intelligent guy, as well as a musician!

    Funny thing about Facebook and all the social medias, they come back, over and over again, to tell you, “you have 11 invites and 4 suggestions, etc., etc. I do not do social network stuff period.  

    I don’t understand!  How many Apocalyptic Horses did you have before?  Did you have some foals?  

    Here we are . . . . so many years later . . . . and so many years worse than before!  I wanted to add an article I read about where the great failures began, but can’t for the moment find it (I’ll post it to you later, if I find it.  But, suffice it, it had to do with each and every turn where we failed to demand accountability.)

  7. banger

    1944–selection of Harry Truman as next President–led to Cold War and the National Security State that still runs the country, more or less.

    1963: execution of the POTUS, supreme power to the National Security State

    1968: execution of RFK and MLK one to keep the coup of 63 alive, the second to put a stop to the growth of the left. It worked.

    1978: the complete capitulation of the FDR wing of the Democratic Party in favor of the money men.

    1992: personification of that capitulation by the election of Bill Clinton.

    2001: a new Pearl Harbor signalled the legal end of the Constitutional Republic, by creating an Orwellian state based on a “War on Terror” which was, in fact, just a war of terror on all of us to keep us afraid and loot the economy and the Treasury–Bill of Rights and habeas corpus, international law, treaties all largely ignored in principle and often in fact.

    2008: the election of a psedo-reformer who was nothing of the sort but completely defanged a growing movement left as a reaction to the events in the economy and the seemingly mismanaged war. After 2008 the left largely dissapears into a haze of absurd self-worshipping fantasies of many kinds.

  8. Lasthorseman

    Look at what the globalists have done with Asia industrially.  Those decisions preceed the war of error.  Charolette Iserbyte was Reagan administration.  It was always a limited resources thing and they decided the US wasted far too much shit for dwindling returns.

  9. terryhallinan

    we have few differences in leanings.

    For me the “execution” of JFK was the quite commonplace assassination of many presidents throughout our history by crazed assassins.  

    The attempt to kill Truman by Puerto Rican nationalists was a true conspiracy but the Southern Catholic conspiracy that resulted in Lincoln’s assassination and some hangings of innocents apparently was the usual prosecutorial hoax as was the more recent Sacco and Venzetti travesty of justice.

    As his mind was slipping very badly, my father, an Irish immigrant, made some remark like yours about the killing of JFK and I mentioned the swinging door on the White House when Jackie was out of town.

    I immediately regretted my casual unintended cruelty in the event.  Seemed my father had never heard about the presidential aides dragging the bars at night looking for playtoys for the President.  Certainly everything from the assassination squads that outdid the worst of Nixon went unmentioned as did the deepening takeover of America by the military-industrial complex.

    With all his enormous flaws, including most grotesquely the Vietnam War, LBJ had some decent instincts.  LBJ’s triumph in civil rights was enormously costly personally and even to the Democratic Party but who thinks it was not the right thing to do?

    Somehow our views converge in recent times kind of like the the parallel lines in non-Euclidean geometry meeting.

    I can’t explain the latter anymore than the former but I surely like it.

    Which of us is not thinking? LOL!

    Best,  Terry

  10. banger

    We are, in this country, fascinated with fantasies of all kinds. Fantasy has a psychological function and it is usually used to blur things like cognitive dissonance. Americans believe in contradictions–sex good/sex bad, greed is good/greed is bad. We like the values expressed in movies like It’s a Wonderful Life but we choose to live in the nightmare of Pottersville by supporting the corporate forces that live out every single day the values of Mr. Potter and work tirelessly to defeat, imprison and, if required, kill every George Bailey that sticks out his or her head too far out. One can go on and on. This national neurosis soon to become psychosis has to be dealt with before we deal with any of the other issues we face.  

  11. terryhallinan

    When I was very young I read a personal account of a Siberian labor camp for women.  

    Everything was as you would imagine – only worse.

    But there was a break with a nun telling the women shivering from cold, ill fed with terrible fish head soup and such, rags for shoes and clothes that hardly kept out the cold fairy tales.

    The women would weep for the fairy tale princess who could not go to sleep on 7 mattresses because some evil fiend had put a pea under the mattresses.

    There was a corollary to that in War and Peace.  The Russian nobleman, Pierre, suffered horribly as a prisoner of the French, who themselves were dying like flies from cold and hunger as they fled Russia.  Pierre [what kind of name was that in a Russian novel?] thought how he had suffered the same when small children disturbed his pansy garden when he lived in splendor in his mansion.

    “I have been rich and I have been poor and it is much better being rich” is a common refrain.

    I am not so sure.

    The extreme poverty of Ireland before the Potato Famine was nearly beyond imagination.  Oddly it was pictured as a time of gaiety and dancing and singing and story telling and somehow even a bit of booze.  An Irishman with a larger bit of land than his neighbors bemoaned having to hire a maid to keep his wife company because she so missed the party mood of the commons within easy reach.

    The famine and disease and idiot politics fixed that.  The old fairy tales dried up and revolution was born – again – with new fairy tales.

    This national neurosis soon to become psychosis has to be dealt with before we deal with any of the other issues we face.

    It’s not clear to me that the mentality of the masses can ever be dealt with rationally.

    One can hope I suppose.

    Best,  Terry

  12. banger

    The masses depend on the entertainment media to form their world. And the entertainment media try to find out what makes the masses tick and they want to attract their attention and will do anything to do so. Many thousands of people spend most of their time thinking about all that. It’s probably hard to understand who is in the driver’s seat. I think there’s no one in the driver’s seat.

    It’s all up to fate or the virtual gods of the midway. I’ve been prosperous (I wouldn’t say “rich”) and I’ve been poor and I’ve noticed that it make little difference.

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