What billmon said, and more

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Bernhard at MoonofAlabama remains a continual flow of common sense with respect to US foreign policy, strangely similar to Herr Daniel Larison, in some ways.  I really don’t care about their conservative or liberal affiliations and credentials.  They both sound right to me on most occasions.

Apparent jackass, Laura Rozen had this to say of MoA’s analysis of Syria:    

Laura Rozen ?@lrozen

look moon you wld like nothing better than russia & iran & china architects of global order. “@MoonofA:

To which billmon sed:

billmon ?@billmon1

@MoonofA @lrozen Scratch a “liberal” interventionist, find Joe McCarthy hiding underneath.

Sure enough.  I’m still looking at you, driftglass, even tho’ you disavowed intervention in Syria, I am still looking at you.  And booman, yeppers.  I’m looking at you both with one eye.  

You are the people for whom the term, “cruise missile liberals,” was invented.  You and John Kerry…and the Muslim Kenyan Usurper Hawaiian Devil Baby, Barack Obama.

Instead I’d suggest trying Living in Truth:

Vaclav Havel: Living in Truth:

(The power of living in truth) does not reside in the strength of definable political or social groups, but chiefly in a potential, which is hidden throughout the whole of society, including the official power structures of that society. Therefore this power does not rely on soldiers of its own, but on soldiers of the enemy as it were-that is to say, on everyone who is living within the lie and who may be struck at any moment (in theory, at least) by the force of truth (or who, out of an instinctive desire to protect their position, may at least adapt to that force). It is a bacteriological weapon, so to speak, utilized when conditions are ripe by a single civilian to disarm an entire division…. This, too, is why the regime prosecutes, almost as a reflex action, preventatively, even modest attempts to live in truth (p.23).

forgive me for not providing links.  I’m very, prohibitively tired and time-constrained, wishing you all the best.


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  1. Edger

    These men & women are not cheering.

    Only conspiracy theorists would not cheer, of course. Of course. And obama haters, of course. Of course.

       MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

       FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

       SUBJECT: Is Syria a Trap?

       September 6, 2013

       We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”


       Our sources confirm that a chemical incident of some sort did cause fatalities and injuries on August 21 in a suburb of Damascus. They insist, however, that the incident was not the result of an attack by the Syrian Army using military-grade chemical weapons from its arsenal. That is the most salient fact, according to CIA officers working on the Syria issue. They tell us that CIA Director John Brennan is perpetrating a pre-Iraq-War-type fraud on members of Congress, the media, the public – and perhaps even you.


       Thomas Drake, Senior Executive, NSA (former)

       Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

       Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan

       Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

       W. Patrick Lang, Senior Executive and Defense Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.)

       David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

       Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

       Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)

       Todd Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General (ret.)

       Sam Provance, former Sgt., US Army, Iraq

       Coleen Rowley, Division Council & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

       Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret); Foreign Service Officer (ret.)

    Read all of it here…  

  2. tahoebasha3

    more research since I posted my diary the other day and I’ve found some interesting stuff.  The “stuff” is as applicable here as would be on my diary, “I have a terrible lump in my throat!”  Some of it, I cannot vouch for the veracity of the content; some have dates going back to 2011, 2012, leaving me to wonder which came first the chicken . . . as to the buildup of warships off the Syrian coast, or did some come and then go . . . and then return again?  I know a couple were replaced in August, as spelled out here.  What I know from warships is nothing, much less remember their names.  The first article, though, deals with the chemicals and who used them.

    Syrian rebels admit to being behind chemical weapons attack.  August 30, 2013

    Nuke carrier leads US strike force into Syrian waters.  Published time: November 25, 2011 14:34  

    17 US warships now off Syria 6 December 2012, 1:15

    Potential War Against Syria: Chemical Weapons, Russian Warships and Terrorists  December 07, 2012

    Russian warships dock at Syria’s port of Tartus  January 8, 2012

    Russia sending two warships to Syrian coast: Report  Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:4AM

    U.S. warships off Syrian coast are part of ‘options for all contingencies’  August 25, 2013

    Say hello, Assad: See the Navy warships off the coast of Syria! (No date on this .. .I presume recent)

    Of course, there is much more, but the hype and the build-up, as in Iraq, has been going on for some time now and a lot of it.  

    Finally, here’s an excellent article by William Rivers Pitt, “It’s Not War, So Stop Saying That.  Thursday, 05 September 2013 09:05  Truthout

  3. Compound F

    “evidence” thing, aren’t you.  I always knew that about you, and was just waiting for that part of your character to show itself.  Magna Carta thinking is sooooo old fashioned of you.

  4. Edger

    I couldn’t help myself. Old habits die hard, I guess.

    I did throw in the cluster bomb idea thing though. That should count for something, no?

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  7. tahoebasha3

    Please give me some kind of a response when you can, on what you think!

  8. Compound F

    (this time) I remain in “wait and see” mode at all times.  We know what they want to do, and have wanted for decades, really.  Now, after proving their bloodlust at the brink (in Iraq and Afghaistan), remains the question of capability.  The empire is feeling ragged and threadbare, and desperation is unpredictable.  Interesting times.  

    I am thankful for people like you who get in there and wrangle.  Amongst blessings, I count that number one.  This has always been a good site in that respect.  True wranglers.

    Ahm a wrangler mahself.

    I don’t have answers.

  9. tahoebasha3

    You are a good wrangler, you!

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