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The Old Men Don't Know, but the Little Girls Understand

by: keirdubois

Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 18:02:02 PDT        
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I don't know if Howlin' Wolf has ever been translated into Farsi, but if Islamic Republic government snipers are now killing beautiful women on live TV, something's sure gone up the Supreme Leader's ass sideways. Call me a sucker, call me a romantic, call me a suburban armchair activist-but I have been extremely moved by the fact that the women of Iran seem to be in the vanguard of the election-related protests. Indeed, if the basiji are shooting innocent bystanders-as they seem to be doing in a heartbreaking and grisly snuff film out of (I believe) Tehran, then the current regime's days truly are numbered. You don't win friends and influence people by murdering the hot chicks, Khameni.

keirdubois :: The Old Men Don't Know, but the Little Girls Understand
Now, maybe all this is by design, and maybe I'm being manipulated by imagery from a country whose history I only somewhat know and whose culture I barely understand, but it's difficult to not get caught up in the drama of this thing. It's difficult to not draw tangential parallels to Prague or Paris in 1968 or China in 1989-which people have been doing rather clumsily, by the way-and it's also difficult to reconcile the fact of potentially major transformative change erupting via the most banal tools imaginable: Twitter and Facebook. I mean, I know you go revolt with the tools you have and not the overwhelming force you wish you had, but for a venue like Twitter-which I use, but still find impossible to take as seriously as Twitter seems to take itself-this is alternately a laughably legitimizing development as well as a laudable exploitation of a previously facile platform.

But whatever works, as they say-and what does work, and what's always worked, is the simple and supremely obvious truism that apparently even the Iranian state police were admonishing each other with: "You must never strike a woman". Men with even a drop of empathy in their veins know that, and know they're seeing their mothers/wives/sisters/friends/daughters/nieces/whomever on TV and the web out in the front of this thing. I realize that's a pretty elementary, simple, and naive thing to say, but that doesn't make it any less true-because in my (admittedly WASPy Irangeles-oriented) experience, Persians don't like to fuck around, man. Sure, they can be arrogant, fastidious, and frustratingly urbane, but that's because they have standards, and they don't appreciate when those are tossed around like so many political footballs.

Or soccer balls-but of course they wouldn't use such a term. By the way, the Iranian soccer team has some brass ones, don't they? If you can get athletes to hang in there with you-especially those who are already out and about in decadent Europe like most of the Iranian team are anyway-you're pretty solid, baby. Going on about this stuff for too long will put me into Andrew Sullivan territory, of course-and Lord knows I can't stomach even a hint of that silly man, even when he's right-but I've been glued to it since election day in Iran, and it's been absolutely fascinating to me for a multitude of reasons.

The biggest one, though, is the one from personal experience: I roomed with an Iranian immigrant as a sophomore in college, and although I couldn't stand the guy and he hated me right back, I knew exactly why he was the way he was-he grew up amid the total chaos of the 1979 revolution, and he thus sought absolute order. He was an engineering major, a neat freak with a crew cut and a severe Napoleon complex, and every once in a while he would scream like a maniac in the shower-but it was hard to not be empathetic toward him, even if he detested my American collegiate rock & roll lifestyle. He was fucking crazy, but he loathed the ayatollahs, man. I mean, really hated them, with the heat of 10,000 supernovas. He told me the story once of how he came to L.A., though Iraq and Syria and (if I recall correctly) Paris-an odyssey that took guts of steel and certainly more of everything than I've ever been able to muster in my coddled Californian existence.

But this was supposed to be about the hot Persian chicks telling their Supreme Leader to fuck off, so let's get back to that. The thing that's been most moving to me is the broad swath of Iranian womanhood involved in this: covered and uncovered, old and young, urban and (I presume) rural-but maybe not so much of the latter. Who knows, though-when the communication channels are all cut off and all we have is an erstwhile buffoon like Roger Cohen to tell us what's going on. Well, that's not entirely true-we do have Christiane Amanpour, for better or worse the Iranian female journalist of our times, and that's good enough for now, even if (I think) she's not on Twitter yet. Come on babe, get with the program. Your sisters are way ahead of you here, but you're all awesome.

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Not so Gonzo this time (4.00 / 24)
Better to not pose when others are doing it for real.

mbr + dv + woyg

Okay all you women (4.00 / 12)
The PC police jumped my ass on DKos over the "babe" and "chick" language. Is that overboard? I can't believe that's even a discussion point.

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
This does not bother me. (4.00 / 6)
I thought it was an effective way to illustrate the point.

Everybody has their word buttons, though. Mine are hysterical and seminal. You would not even believe how many hours I've spent arguing with my collaborators to keep the word seminal out of my publications.

Although -- if you used either of these two words, I probably would get riled enough to call you out.

Rock is dead. Long live paper and scissors.


[ Parent ]
I can understand both of those (4.00 / 4)
...but that's cause I know my Greek & Latin language roots.

I actually love applying the word "hysteria" to my fellow men. We act that way far more often, of course.

mbr + dv + woyg


[ Parent ]
Wait! (4.00 / 3)
I'm suffering from death by editing.

...if you used either of these two words, I probably would not get riled enough to call you out.

Rock is dead. Long live paper and scissors.


[ Parent ]
Well, I don't get offended (4.00 / 6)
easily over this type of language.  That's me though.  I tolerate jokes that many would be up in arms over.  I have issues with labels and definitions, I am more interested in the issues behind the discussion.

I'm not entirely against labels and definitions I just think they can be limiting.  One should be aware of how labels are used.  I know lots of women who like to use the term chick refering to themselves.  Is it more offensive than "duck", or "cabbage",  or other ancient or foreign terms of endearment?


[ Parent ]
OK (4.00 / 7)
I was just used to it-women my age call each other "dude" all the time, for example.

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
Im good (4.00 / 8)
with it.

maybe a generational thing.

"Babe"... cant remember how long its been since someone called me that. I miss it! ha ha ha

No justice, no peace.


[ Parent ]
I'd like to say it didn't bother me, because, (4.00 / 7)
I fully understand that your post is one that pays tribute to the courage of these women.  But, OTOH, I did cringe just a bit at your calling these women "hot" and "chicks", which for me conjures up pictures of beauty contestants or a group of young women on spring break at the beach, rather than women, many of whom happen to be attractive, that are willing to risk--and some of whom have actually given--their lives for freedom from tyranny.  

The descriptors tend to trivialize the women IMHO, and I don't think that was your intention.  Just my opinion, FWIW.


[ Parent ]
Well ok then (4.00 / 6)
Contradiction is balance, after all.

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
watching CNN now (4.00 / 9)
lots of powerful images.

i hate this violence



No justice, no peace.


I watched the video of that girl die (4.00 / 13)
earlier today. She looked up with a surprised expression and straight at the camera wide eyed as the blood poured from her mouth... then the light went out in her eyes and they rolled up. I'm sure millions of Iranians watched also.

I doubt they will ever forget or forgive...


Her father was right there. (4.00 / 10)
She died in front of him...

[ Parent ]
I'm at the beach (4.00 / 1)
The flies are biting and it forced me inside, moaning about bugs wrecking my vacation.
that video was the first thing I saw, sent via email.
There really are no words beyond a howl.

aka burned

[ Parent ]
I know, I thought about posting it (4.00 / 1)
but I decided it's probably posted enough places by now, and any more might just be encouraging a sick sort of voyeurism, maybe.

[ Parent ]
Does anyone know her name? (4.00 / 6)


Thanks, Keir... (4.00 / 5)

Neda


[ Parent ]
Wait! That's not the same person! (4.00 / 6)
Totally different photgraph. I'm sorry that wasn't clear.

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
Ahhh, thanks... (4.00 / 6)
I just assumed it was.

We are all the same person, anyway....


[ Parent ]
Uh-oh (4.00 / 7)
I think that was the fastest promotion I ever received. Faster than big Al Haig in Nixon's White House.

mbr + dv + woyg

Then he tried to take Reagan's place (4.00 / 7)
when he shot!  So scary.  As a joke, my sister and her former husband made a shirt for my dad for a family reunion, "Jim, Don't worry I'm in charge", lastname"

Little girls are wise, old men can have a detrimentally repressive effect on them.  In both banal and deadly ways. My best thoughts go out for all of them.


[ Parent ]
Little girls also like Hannah Montana (4.00 / 5)
Contradiction is everywhere!

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
Heh, yes! (4.00 / 6)
We walk straight into our own repression, sometimes with open eyes.
Sad but true.  Easy associations and the comfort of the crowd.  We want to fit in. It actually may be safer in the crowd, less stragglers for the tigers to pick off!

[ Parent ]
Is Hannah Monana part Iranian? (4.00 / 4)
Cyrus is definitely a Persian name.

"Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

[ Parent ]
Go tell that to her daddy (4.00 / 8)
I'd love to see his head explode.

The ancient Persian king's name was more likely "Kurash" or something like that. "Cyrus" is the Latinization of the Greek "Kyros," and since Greeks were notorious xenophobes when it came to transliteration, I think it's safe to assume Miley is 100% Wasp.

mbr + dv + woyg


[ Parent ]
I bow (4.00 / 4)
to your sense of WASP-iness.

"Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

[ Parent ]
Dear God (4.00 / 4)
Bowing to WASPs is kind of creepy. I have a French last name, and I cling to it at times like these...

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
I'm not bowing to WASPS. (4.00 / 5)
I'm bowing to your superior knowledge of WASPS.

"Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

[ Parent ]
Oops (4.00 / 2)
Reading comprehension would be nice on my part.

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
That's awful. I hope something good comes out of this (4.00 / 7)
although somehow I doubt it.

Still, if Americans had half the guts of these people, we wouldn't be so screwed up--of that I'm sure.


I just started reading Persepolis, (4.00 / 6)
I'm getting a sense of what the last Iranian Revolution meant to children, adolescent girls and boys, women, families and all who care about justice. The story is not part of what I knew from that time. I have a lot to learn.  A large part of me has always wanted to visit certain places in the region, Istanbul, a bazaar in the heart of the fertile crescent, and historic Persian Empire sites.  I wonder if that could ever come to pass?

The movie is on Netflix instant watch I've heard.


I am assuming (4.00 / 8)
the average Iranian does not have nor pays much attention to 300 channels of digital HDTV propaganda TeeVee 24/7 "news" mind controlling zombifying brain cell destroying pornographic crap like we here in these United States are exposed to.

Hence the resulting street protests.

Evidence, confirmation, testimony to the behavior of normal, not sheeple people.

As to the hot Persian chicks.  Recent internet footage shows Illuminati symbolism prevalent in Iran meaning "they" own Iran too so any "conflict" is managed, planned and contrived for the profit margins of the few at the top of the food chain.

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!


Hey man (4.00 / 7)
I already knew I was a sucker for blatant titillation. But I appreciate the point.

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
The scene on the video is horrific, just horrific... (4.00 / 6)
and CNN just showed an amateur  video of a home invasion in Tehran which was filmed at night, so the visuals were difficult to see, but the audio of screams, gunshots and shouting sounded life what I would imagine hell to sound like.

I feel guilty saying (4.00 / 4)
this but I feel much more connected as a human and a woman to this unfolding of history, because of the lack of official coverage. It's like Katrina before the media got it's act together to spin it, it's real. We are watching an unedited version of the events and witnessing a peoples struggle from within, not filtered by our own political propaganda. It's hard to hate, be frightened, threatened or want to bomb people when you see unfiltered images of people of a culture unfamiliar and maligned for US geopolitics dying yet standing up for their right to be self determinate.

The woman really are beautiful, no offense at all taken, I wish more men appreciated the real version.  I am struck by how  it is to see not a mob of faceless so called radicals protesters but the beauty of humans individually and collectively, not the tarted up version of hot chicks. The young men are gorgeous also. Our version of PC about woman's beauty does not translate into disrespect as these women are not processed for consumption they are the real thing. They are strong, they are powerful, they are courageous,and their hot.              


written by the woman who died sister (4.00 / 5)
Yesterday I wrote a note, with the subject line "tomorrow is a great day perhaps tomorrow I'll be killed." I'm here to let you know I'm alive but my sister was killed...

I'm here to tell you my sister died while in her father's hands
I'm here to tell you my sister had big dreams...
I'm here to tell you my sister who died was a decent person... and like me yearned for a day when her hair would be swept by the wind... and like me read "Forough" [Forough Farrokhzad]... and longed to live free and equal... and she longed to hold her head up and announce, "I'm Iranian"... and she longed to one day fall in love to a man with a shaggy hair... and she longed for a daughter to braid her hair and sing lullaby by her crib...

my sister died from not having life... my sister died as injustice has no end... my sister died since she loved life too much... and my sister died since she lovingly cared for people...

my loving sister, I wish you had closed your eyes when your time had come... the very end of your last glance burns my soul....

sister have a short sleep. your last dream be sweet.

__________________

Her sister is my sister. I am saddened by the violence unleashed on these brave people.  


Nice expression... (4.00 / 2)
...of the feelings here.

The fierce urgency of now.  Martin

[ Parent ]
I was quite taken (4.00 / 2)
by this essay, and was frankly surprised by the "pc" crowd's reaction to it.

I always come at things from a human behavioral angle... so to me seeing an American male be stunned by the beauty of a non-wasp society was cool. It means the standards are finally broadening in what construes beauty.

You point out that by their actions they are leading, probably another factor in your "hotness" response, as something to be admired more deeply for those actions.

America is a strange nation, where women obsess over Angelina Jolie for her beauty, and spend gazillions on their hair, clothing, nails trying to be beautiful, yet get offended when males express their attraction. It also seemed the ones who objected the most are as likely as not to be utter attention-seeking flirts on other threads. Poor things, society has made them both seek and damn themselves.

To me "hot chick" is a compliment, as was the rest of your essay honoring their bravery and commitment.

You are also right that it is still ingrained in the psyche of men everywhere to "protect" the objects of their desires, as well as their familial females.

I guess keirdubois, I admire this honest raw look at your reaction from your background. I saw NOTHING degrading here.


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OK (4.00 / 1)
Duly noted, thanks for reading. :)

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
I was going to tip and rec (4.00 / 3)
just for the Doors reference, then the diary became worthy of two each...

How is it we meekly allowed Florida 2000 and a SCOTUS vote to stage a coup right before our eyes with nary a whimper and these brave people are willing to show the world that

THIS WILL NOT STAND!

The Iranians are more in tune with Democracy than the Americans, I'm sad to say.

Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807


It's actually Howlin' Wolf (4.00 / 2)
But your Doors citation will get you in the door. :)

mbr + dv + woyg

[ Parent ]
Well, if you want to get technical (4.00 / 1)
"Back Door Man" is a blues song written by Willie Dixon for Howlin' Wolf in 1961.

However, in my head, it is Jim's voice singing those lyrics.

Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807


[ Parent ]
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