This is worth yelling louder:
Iraqis say Basra quieter after British troop pullout
BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) – Residents of Iraq’s southern city of Basra have begun strolling riverfront streets again after four years of fear, their city much quieter since British troops withdrew from the grand Saddam Hussein-era Basra Palace.
Political assassinations and sectarian violence continue, some city officials say, but on a much smaller scale than at any time since British troops moved into the city after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
This has been the last resort argument against bringing the troops home – they must ensure that Iraq does not spiral into civil war.
Beyond the facts that:
- civil war is already there
- what will happen once the troops leave will happen pretty much irrespective of when they leave, as they are not resolving anything in the meanwhile, so keeping them only increases the death toll for everybody
- the “Pottery Barn” rule never said anything about trying to repair in the shop what you’ve broken
the argument that there is a responsibility not to abandon the Iraqis to war and chaos has had surprising force.
Well, although for most of us on the site it is not a good enough argument to keep the troops over there (and keep the occupation going, and the deathtoll increasing), it happens that it is not even true!
“The situation these days is better. We were living in hell … the area is calm since their withdrawal,” said housewife Khairiya Salman, who lives near the palace.
Civil servant Wisam Abdul Sada agreed. “We do not hear the sounds of explosions which were shaking our houses and terrifying our women and children,” he told Reuters.
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It had been feared the British withdrawal would trigger an upsurge in violence in Basra. Merchant Faris Mohammed Ali described the British soldiers as a “scarecrow”.
“Frankly I didn’t want the British troops to withdraw, not because I liked them but because I am afraid of the factions and their armed groups, they are in a constant struggle which may burn the city one day,” he said.
But for now Basra seems quieter and safer to some families who have started to come out at night to stroll along the banks of the Shatt al-Arab river, something that would have been unthinkable not long ago.
Despite the very real infighting between Iraqis, the occupation troops are making things worse, not better.
There’s not a single reason to keep them in.
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But you are El Roy of the tip jar!
Of course the RW’rs will just say “Oh SURE! In the south it is all fine. But once we leave Baghdad….
Facts don’t seem to sway the catapulted propagandas flight plan much.
But man, can you imagine what a relief it must be to have a frikkin ARMY withdraw from your city?!?!
for what I’ve been grumbling for years.
We are the problem, not the solution.
Hilarious in a pathetic sort of way is Edwards claim we need troops to remain to guard our embassy. Indeed we would need a hell of a lot of troops for that assignment.
Just a note on the side: Edwards BTW is the best choice of a bad lot IMHO. I would as soon vote for Bush/Cheney as Hillary. JMO.
Best, Terry
all is bullshit. Sorry to be so crude, but it is bullshit. We kill, we torture, we make up stories that are more bullshit. I cannot keep up with the stories that pass through my mind each day, they all have names attached but just float through a sink hole is called bullshit. Iraq is a question that has no answer other then Why? and the Why? I know it is so obvious we all know it! Facing what we do is hard and yet why cant we?
will believe it yet
…to address the Pottery Barn meme — as an excuse for continuing US Troops (aka bullet catchers) in Iraq. (Not you Jerome, but the candidates, in general.)
The Republicans gave that meme to the Dumb Dem Dogs as a chewtoy — since only liberals would give a shit what happens to people of swarthy complexion in some stinking desert.
The REAL meme, the one the Republicans will use to make gains in the next election is:
We are fighting them there, so we don’t have to fight them here.
THAT’S the meme that wins votes for the Republicans and keeps the MIC pumping dollars for shareholders in Iraq.
I blogged this a while back, but straight to the source:
[In Full @ atlanticfreepress]
Since we absolutely know the reasons for going there in the first place were false,lies and fabricated marketing points for the sole purpose of military contractors profits. Yes, that Dick.
The second purpose would then be re-establishment of modern warfare tactics in urban situations. Yes, war games. Oh, wait, oil should be number one, right?
http://www.nysun.com…
Second source,second confirmation. Now how much did the Pentagon pay to plant that one.
Plutonium Page pointed out this from thinkprogress. I want to repeat her quote and then emphasize something that she didn’t.
I want to point out something about this quote that might have gotten missed. This made my eyes buldge out.
I read that bold-faced pair of sentences and I couldn’t believe that a Senior White House Official would so blatantly and publically DEFINE “Eurporean securtiy” as not giving America a “headache”.
Does this equation — “European security” with lack of “headaches” — mean that “European security” really means “under America’s thumb”?
I don’t see any other reading of that pair of sentences.
Anyway, I read that and assumed there must be some context. But it only gets worse.
The next paragraph is:
“European secutity” is having a man “George W Bush” can do business with. Merkel is not as good for “Eurpoean security”, has not “lived up to initial expectations”, but is still “far preferable to her predecessor”.
This is just amazing. I can’t believe that a White House official said this out loud, to a reporter.
But there it is.
Despite Dear Prudence’s dodgy arithmetic and cruelly empty announcements, the only reason that 4500 troops remain drumming their heels so that they can polish their boots for something to do on an airfield near Basra, is as a sop to the hideous infant mewling of George W Bush.
There’ll be trouble at home if Junior gets Nicola in the family way, she’s such a slag, like his last bit of Eurototty. And of course Merkel is preferable to Schroeder. She has such lovely shoulders and Gerhard dyed his hair (allegedly).