See, That Right There …

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I have a friend at work whose young daughter started a bit of a trend with us.

She saw her older brother doing something wrong  and she pointed to him and said, “see, that right there … you have to change your attitude!”  So now whenever something idiotic happens at work, the “management” does its usual bad job, we say “see, that right there …” and add whatever comment we have.

From Woman of Color Blog brownfemipower tell us:

Chicago Military Public Schools Draw Mixed Reactions

Yes, you read that right, the U.S. military is running four Chicago public schools. And it’s actually fucking *debated* on NPR on whether or not this is ‘ok’.
via NPR
Tell Me More, October 23, 2007 · Chicago Public Schools is allowing the United States military to run four of its schools. The decision is raising question about what involvement, if any, the armed forces should have in educating Chicago’s children. The relative of a middle-schooler who currently attends one of the city’s military education programs, is joined by a vocal critic of the concept. They share differing views.

From The Chicago Tribune (warning, PDF):

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CHICAGO TRIBUNE
Copyright 2007 Chicago Tribune Company
October 15, 2007

Reading, writing, recruiting? Debate rages as city’s newest facility is dedicated
By: Stephanie Banchero and Carlos Sadovi

Chicago Public Schools , which already has the largest junior military reserve program in the nation, on Monday will commission the country’s first public high school run by the U.S. Marines, much to the chagrin of activists who have fought to keep the armed services out of city schools.

The dedication of the Marine Military Academy on the Near West Side comes a few days after Chicago officials announced plans to open an Air Force academy high school in 2009. If that happens, Chicago will become the only public school district in the nation to have academies dedicated to the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.

District officials say the military-themed schools give students more choices and provide an opportunity to enroll in schools that provide structure, discipline and a focus on leadership. They say the schools emphasize academics, not recruitment. “We have to think outside the box, and what existed before simply did not work for far too many students,” said Chicago Public Schools Chief Arne Duncan. “These schools are popular and have waiting lists, so that tells me parents want more of them.”

But critics argue the military academies and other district Junior ROTC programs unfairly target poor and minority teenagers for military service.

“We’re already the most militarized school system in the nation, and the [district] officials just keep opening more programs, as if they have no problem being a recruitment tool for the military,” said Brian Roa, a member of the National Network Opposing Militarization of Youth and a science teacher at Senn High School on the North Side. Senn shares a building with Rickover Naval Academy. “Chicago Public Schools should be in the business of educating children, not finding ways to indoctrinate them into the military.”

Nearly a century old, The Junior ROTC was created in 1916 as a way to develop citizenship in teenagers. It grew incrementally for decades until the 1990s, when it dramatically expanded. Today,about 500,000 students are enrolled in high school military programs nationwide. Chicago has the nation’s largest junior cadet program.

“This is not a recruiting tool, but a way to help students succeed at whatever career they might choose,” said Army Lt. Col. Rick Mills, who oversees the district’s JROTC. “We intend to use the academies to take students who perform in the middle range and use the military model to enhance their postsecondary education.”

Many of the students interviewed at the naval high school, which opened two years ago, said they chose the school for its focus on discipline. Most said they do not intend to enlist.

Natassa Bourkas, a 16-year-old who plans to attend college, said she hopes she will stand out from other students applying to colleges.

“When people see that we went to a military school, they know we’re obedient, we follow directions, we’re disciplined,” said the student, who plans to become a pediatric cardiologist.

But despite a stated focus on college prep, the city’s military academies have had mixed academic records since the first academy opened in 2000.

Pass rates on the 2006 high school state exam range from about 9 percent to 30 percent at the military academies, compared with the district’s average of 32 percent. None of the academies met federal No Child Left Behind testing standards last year.


See, that right there … that attitude.

Since when is the military the only source to learn discipline and values?  This is the best we can come up with?  Leaving aside the obvious, that these kids are being targeted to be military cannonfodder, leaving aside that the results are not terribly impressive when it comes to test scores, is this how low we have sunk?  Do we really find the military culture to be the best when it comes to educating our children?

It was sad reading about this, seeing the hopes of both parents and children, the myth of military school being for the elite and somehow that will rub off on their own schooling.  Yes, this is how far we have sunk.  See, that right there … that attitude.

Browsing through the diversosphere, I found an amazing video, a poetry performance from Kelly Zen-Yie Tsai.  (h/t to angry asian man).  It’s entitled By-Standing: The Beginning of an American Lifetime:

I dunno, it seemed a great response to those who think the military would do a good job of running our high schools.  I like this woman’s stuff.  See, that right there … that attitude … it’s good!

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  1. … really don’t like this new turn of events.

  2. That I am not sure if I am proud of…..But in High School, we would taunt the ROTC guys mercilessly….and got a few of them to quit.

    I generally don’t like taunting….but in this instance, it was at least in a good cause.

    Young people minds can be awfully pliant when it comes to authority figures telling them what to do, what is right…..that makes it incredibly important for authority to use this power correctly….it creates our future.

    But…I guess correctly depends on your point of view, dammit.

    Are you going to put this on the FP at 2?

    (hint hint)

  3. Extraordinary in fact.

    • pfiore8 on October 27, 2007 at 19:08

    this is why no war…

    • pfiore8 on October 27, 2007 at 19:10

    i’d front page the video alone

    w/o comment

    and see what happens when people see it

  4. not to mention one of the scariest things I’ve read in a while. Like we need more authoritarian, loving war loving, militaristic, inhumane, brainwashed citizens ! How can this be legal? You can’t have religious schools in the public system so how are these able to be called public? Jheez it’s getting more bizarre by the minute! Blackwater and their ilk runs our prisons and now the military gets to run schools, holy shit! Did the school boards allowed this or did the Feds who is responsible for this?

  5. and I had taken my 11 year old son bowling last sat. morning. The recruiters were out in full force in the parking lot with a dozen or so highschool aged boys doing what appeared to be drills. My son looked over to me and said,”are those guys nuts?” I told him to keep thinking that way and he’ll help make the world a better place. Children are often wiser than they’re given credit for.

  6. like what these kids need is to learn more about war. As if there wasn’t one going on in their streets every day already.

    This summer, Bob Hebert reported that in a little less than a year, 34 children had been killed on the streets of Chicago.

    I can’t even wrap my mind around something like that. And some a-holes think learning more about killing is going to help???

    • RiaD on October 27, 2007 at 21:20

    When I was young I was a real straight arrow
    I always walked the straight and narrow
    I had a thing for Mia Farrow
    I wrote a poem she did not care so I

    Went to school an signin’ up for ROT-C
    Them hippy kids was callin me a Nazi
    But my friends I felt waiver free
    Hangin wit’ my buddies down at the armoury

    Then they started with the protest marches
    I stayed in school, look how smart he is
    Don’t wanna hear ’bout no government corruption
    Don’t want no part of the big disruption

    All my heroes turned out to be crooks
    Doin’ time while they’re writin their books
    Now I finally think I see the light
    I can’t believe it but I think

    Them hippies was right, Them hippies was right, Them hippies was right

    I gotta jet, I gotta job at a plant in town
    Everyday we make the sky turn brown
    Here come the hippies – all aquiver
    Tryin to tell us we’re messin up the river now
    they’re floatin’ belly up
    I wouldn’t drink it cause
     
    Man I gotta tell you

    Them hippies was right, Them hippies was right, Them hippies was right

    I’m in my sweats my honey’s in a tent dress
    Sunny is a slacker talk about a big mess
    Thinking ’bout the time I coulda had
    Way back when I was an undergrad


    I hear there was peace and love and every damn thing

    Man I gotta tell you
    I think them hippies was right, Them hippies was right, Them hippies was right

    bt Those Darn Accordians

    • KrisC on October 27, 2007 at 22:41

    Kelly Zen-Yie Tsai rocks…

    “None of the academies met federal No Child Left Behind testing standards last year.”

    Not many schools do, because it’s a supremely flawed system, even a military school can’t get the kids to test properly under NCLB standards…go figure.  I hate the idea of the military taking over schools, they will turn out well disciplined, machine soldiers with machine minds…

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