In comments last night, it became clear to me that this is not the site I thought it was, and is not the place for me.
No hard feelings; if you want to read what I write, it’ll be over at dailyKos and Swing State Project
I will watch this diary for any comments, since that seems polite. Then I’m gone.
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And maybe this site would turn out to be the site you thought it was.
Or you could wait for someone else to go first…..
of a mainstream board “career” for me has always been the result of a ban. You did not say what comments turned you off so I have no clue.
This site is to uncivil for you but Daily Kos is not?
With all due respect, that is impossible to believe.
Enjoy you blogging, but this explanation does not wash for me because Daily Kos is much more uncivil. I do not know about SSP as I do not go there. I figure it is jsut political races stuff anyway.
So the DKos thing is what strikes me. And it is what makes your explanation bizarre.
…that every community has to go through times where there is a testing of limits, where the people who would belong to that community seek to find where the dividing line is between here at not-here. Often I think there is too much policing of community borders in too many venues. The community’s central focus is not foremost when borders are being policed.
In the early history of this community, I think there is not so much policing of borders but a surveying expedition. And that’s a huge challenge to people who have often been on the borders of other communities, because when the border comes through, we have to choose what it will be: in or out?
Civility is in the center of the community. Civility happens when people start working together for common purpose.
By all means one can decide to be part of this community or to remain outside. Nobody is forced to be here. And nobody is forced to wander away from the borders either, although there will always be people living on the borderlands of any community.
But one does not have to make such a decision in haste. Birthing new communities is painful, just as is birthing new people.
Eggstraction
The land
on the border
is fertile
The people
are kind
gentle
content
for the most part
until of course
the patrol comes by
to force everyone
to move to one side
or the other
That causes
great turmoil
on the borderlands
so sometimes
we move
the border
when they aren’t looking
–Robyn Elaine Serven
–March 3, 2006
I can’t know what is in your heart and mind of course, but my impression is that this is a case of what I said in my diary…
I hope you reconsider.
O and also…..it has been my experience that putting up an essay on not fighting during a fight usually leads to more fighting. I am beginning to think there are just times on blogs when people are …..for whatever weird cosmological reason going to fight.
I don’t think there is anything that can be done about that, if you want to have honest discourse…..honest discourse between humans involves fighting.
The extremely delicate balance between letting people express themselves and expecting civility cannot be permanently maintained……the pendulum is going to swing, eventually, to the incivility side. Through all my pondering I have yet to find a good solution to that.
Again please reconsider.
i’ve gone to read your other diary… 🙁
i’d been trying to stay away from the ‘wars’ but having You say it’s too much…aaargh!
Please, please, please don’t go!!
i know i’m a nobody & a nothing concerning this (or any other) blog and i’m sure my opinion on this matter means absolute squat, but please stay.
I love your friday essays, i learn so much from so many people…its like having a corner bookstore pub where i can wander from table to table chatting with everyone about what they’re reading, writing down the good ones. my daughter says its reading rainbow for gr’ups!
And I like seeing you comment…you have considered, consiterate opinions always stated in a way i can understand.
please consider taking a break for awhile and coming back?
really, take a week or two off, but come back….
How would I have ever seen “Paperclips” if you hadn’t rec’d it in your diary…“A Great Film”!
I loved that film, it was wonderful, my kids enjoyed it.
I don’t think you’ve given Docudharma enough time, we are all just getting acquainted.
Peace to you, no matter what you decide.
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You like me, you really like me.
At least, some of you do. 🙂
Maybe I’ll stick around, I dunno. There’s a lot of good stuff here.
I really, though, still do not see why the points I make are anything less than obvious. Perhaps I am not being clear. Perhaps others are seeing me use the word ‘civil’ and then defining it in ways I don’t. There seem to be a few people on this thread who get what I’m saying….. maybe one of them could make it clearer.
But I doubt it.
There seems to be a group of people here who think the best way to argue is to yell and curse and demean the people they want to convince. And no one in authority seems to want to point that out, or even agree with me that it’s a problem.
I’ll stick around a while, but you may be seeing less of me.
…these days in any event, both here and the Orange (but more infrequent on the orange since the ENDA thing — I feel like a traitor to myself every time I go there now). But I will say I’m sorrier to see a gbcw from you than I would be from almost anyone else. Your diaries create their own small, civil communities where people talk about beautiful things like numbers and books. For whatever it might be worth, I wanted to express my appreciation for that…
zencyption is running all over this post handing out Wrong!s without stating a reason. Bad manners–but should she/he be banned? I don’t think so.
EveryoneMost people who see this will know that by not participating in the conversation zen is not contributing to discourse, merely being a jerk.He/she won’t be taken seriously–you will.
We need level heads like yours to bring this site back from the brink of blog hell by being an example of civility.