Optimism

A few days ago a friend sent me this link, knowing my curmudgeonly bent.  

The Edge Annual Question – 2007

WHAT ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC ABOUT? WHY?

http://edge.org/q2007/q07_inde…

It’s a great site, and full of things to think about. Mostly Science based.

I know Compound F is familiar with it

https://www.docudharma.com/show…

maybe other are too.  plf515 I’m guessing, Kurzweil is my first selection.

https://www.docudharma.com/show…

and with recent inspiration from Fearless Leader

https://www.docudharma.com/show…

and the early classic

https://www.docudharma.com/show…

and most succinctly:

What is the basis for your optimism? (4.00 / 2)

“We can’t change the country. Let us change the subject.” Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

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by: oculus @ Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 15:47:57 PDT

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optimism (4.00 / 2)

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of progammers, so….Yell Louder!!!

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by: buhdydharma @ Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 19:22:44 PDT

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Me? Not so much.

In my search of DD, I found 33 comments with the word ‘optimism’, 13 with ‘optimist’, 51 with ‘optimistic’,  some of these comments included the word ‘not’.

Below is a sampling of some of the things written by a selection of the rest of the world’s best minds.  I haven’t read every one, so I just picked some whose names I recognized, then a couple of whom I had never heard.  (sorry, it’s still beaten into me).   Some are chosen just for their snark value. My sense so far is that many are optimistic about advances/improvements in their field, and then how maybe this translates into a better world.  Like I said, there’s lots there, so those of you who are looking for some rays of sunshine, take your time and browse.  Post if you find something you like.  I believe most are using a ‘soft’ definition of ‘optimism’, along the lines of ‘some things will get better’, contrast with ‘worst-case scenario’.

So I’m optimistic that we will make it through without suffering an existential catastrophe. It would be helpful if we gave the two existential threats I discuss above a higher priority.  

Ray Kurzweil

Inventor and Technologist; Author,  The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology

This is my fave of course.

The good news is that there is presently no chance that we could extinguish all of life – the bacterial “slimosphere” alone extends some ten miles into the earth – and as yet we can only make life truly miserable for the vast majority of people, not extinguish human life entirely. I would expect this state of affairs to continue indefinitely.

Robert Trivers

Evolutionary Biologist, Rutgers University; Coauthor, Genes In Conflict: The Biology of Selfish Genetic Elements

Okay .  I’ll give you some.

However, I think that the focus on pessimism is hugely misleading. The pattern of the last five decades is that by and large the most important factors in human life have improved immensely. By and large there is no better time to be alive than today, and any rational estimate is that we will continue to be in a phase of continued improvement.

Nathan Myhrvold

CEO, Managing Director, Intellectual Ventures; Former Chief Technology Officer, Microsoft Corporation;

Physicist, Paleontologist,Photographer, Chef

Back .

A few years ago, I wrote a short book entitled Our Final Century? I guessed that, taking all risks into account, there was only a 50 percent chance that civilisation would get through to 2100 without a disastrous setback. This seemed to me a far from cheerful conclusion. However, I was surprised by the way my colleagues reacted to the book: many thought a catastrophe was even more likely than I did, and regarded me as an optimist. I stand by this optimism.

Lord Martin Rees

President, The Royal Society; Professor of Cosmology & Astrophysics; Master, Trinity College, University of Cambridge; Author, Our Final Century: The 50/50 Threat to Humanity’s Survival

and forth:

Being optimistic means being able to see the extraordinary progress achieved in these last centuries and the incredible cultural diffusion that has derived from it. Progress is a problematic concept nowadays, but if it is interpreted and used in the right way, it can still bring us to even greater goals than the ones we already achieved by now.

Victor Bo

Director, Festival Della Scienzia, Genova

Very practical, web-based:

So, whence the optimism? One means to propel optimism is to suggest a tactic that might enable its fruition. Briefly, I suggest that papers be published on the Internet, reviews be submitted by named reviewers; and that others rate (and review) the reviews. Both papers and reviewers receive ratings that are updated on an ongoing basis. While this won’t protect against biased submissions, it will protect against biased rejections-and at least enable a voice for original or contrary perspectives.

Beatrice Golomb M.D., Ph.D.

Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Diego

neuro-cultural:

Thus, it seems quite plausible to me that we are hard-wired towards making Us/Them distinctions and not being all that nice to the Them. But what is anything but hard-wired is who counts as an Us and as a Them -we are so easily manipulated into changing those categories.

Robert Sapolsky

Neuroscientist, Stanford University, Author, A Primate’s Memoir

neuro-cultural, with reservations:

Because I believe that moral truths transcend the contingencies of culture, I think that human beings will eventually converge in their moral judgments. I am painfully aware, however, that we are living in a world where Muslims riot by the hundreds of thousands over cartoons, where Catholics oppose condom use in villages decimated by AIDS, and where the only “moral” judgment that seems guaranteed to unite the better part of humanity at this moment is that homosexuality is wrong. Which is to say that I am here celebrating our moral progress while being convinced that billions of my neighbors are profoundly

confused about good and evil.      

I may be a bigger optimist than I thought.

Sam Harris

Neuroscience Researcher; Author, The End of Faith

literary:

Multiculturalism predicated upon the maintenance of sharply distinct cultural identities. This will help new generations to get rid of “unreal loyalties”, to use the words of Virginia Woolf, to nation, flag or local customs and manners. Multilingual citizens of a European space will be more tolerant and less sensitive to local allegiances and partialities. Their tolerance of diverse cultural identities, in the old “mono” style or

recomposed, will be built from within, and not learned as a social norm.

Gloria Origgi

Philosopher and Researcher, Centre Nationale de la Recherche Scientifique; Author, Text-E: Text in the Age of the Internet

WTF?

I propose that we do need to sleep, but not as long as we do. The duration of sleep may be an outdated adaptation to prehistoric ecological constraints that no longer exist.

Marcel Kinsbourne

Psychologist, The New School; Coauthor, Children’s Learning and Attention Problems

http://www.answers.com/topic/o…

(and perhaps more pressing, why does that URL end with ‘cat=health’?)

this just in from teh orange:  soooo maybe……….

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…

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    • nocatz on December 29, 2007 at 21:43
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    I’m still cautiously pessimistic.

  1. I’ve been reading selected optimisms on the Edge page you linked. Pretty interesting. I think that the more narrow a view one takes, focusing in on a particular subject or project, (such as the nearing potential for cheaper solar tech) it is easier to feel some optimism. The big nebulous swirling mass of human and planetary interaction is what gives me the pessimistic willies.

    Then again… just yesterday I was listening to some astronomers have a virtual wet dream about the greater probability that Mars will be whacked with a meteorite fairly soon. They were like boys who just discovered a cache of awesome fireworks and M-80s! So I guess the cosmic realm can give rise to optimism for some as well.

    Here’s an optimistic thought in that regard. Maybe Mars getting whacked would be a wonderful thing, reducing its warlike influence on our planet, ringing in a new Venutian era of love, sex and harmony!

    • RiaD on December 29, 2007 at 22:29

    about that solar stuff…

    i want, ver ver much, to be optimistic.

    alas, woe is me

    • kj on December 29, 2007 at 22:33

    (and perhaps more pressing, why does that URL end with ‘cat=health’?)

    but quite perfect.   🙂

    Thanks much, nocatz, for this selection of thoughts.

    • kj on December 29, 2007 at 22:34

    the ten miles deep slime thing.  

    good to know.

  2. on a related subject:

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    Plus, there’s a World Database of Happiness (in the Netherlands, maybe pfiore can look into this???)– http://worlddatabaseofhappines… — where it seems money can kind of buy happiness, at least in the form of scientific studies:


    We lack the means to keep pace with the growing stream of research reports on happiness. With your donation we can keep this database up to date.

  3. But I’m not getting off my Apocalyptic horse just yet.

    • Nordic on December 30, 2007 at 07:39

    we have no choice but to be optimistic.  In spite of the fact that we’re all gonna end up dead.  

    Seriously, as a somewhat depressive person, to be anything other than optimistic means you might as well just drive your car into a cliff.  

    Without some inherent optimism evil would rule the world.  Wait a minute … evil sorta DOES rule the world ….

    Okay, getting depressed again ….

    I’ve always fought the notion that everything balances out.  Supposedly it’s part of my temperment type, the Meyers-Briggs INFP (introvert, idealistic, slow to judge and label things).  We supposedly suffer from a bit of “magical thinking” regarding things that are good or bad in our lives, i.e. that if something good happens to us, it will be balanced out by something bad.  

    Knowing this is “magical thinking”, why does it actually play out that way in my life?  It DOES.  Every damn time.

    Maybe we do indeed create our own reality.  If that’s the case, just who exactly ARE YOU PEOPLE?

  4. “Cheer up, things could be worse.”  So I cheered up and

    sure enough things got worse.  ðŸ˜‰

  5. and are healthier. Optimism has been extensively studied in relation to health — there are hundreds of medical studies, a number of excellent books and centers all over the country, including Harvard Medical School, focusing on the role of optimism in physical well being.

    “Hope may serve as a catalyst for positive transformations, as an accelerating factor in healing processes, as a trigger of the specific energy of personal existence in such a way that the program of intentional optimism is carried beyond the mind as an order for extraordinary mobilization in various systems and parts of the body. Hope in this sense presents itself as a self-active element of therapy producing effects that are similar or greater to those of chemical substances introduced into the body.” [emphasis added]

    From “Hope: its goals, chances, and limits” by Jerzy Lipiec.

    Some brief but good overviews:

    http://tinyurl.com/yv4rge

    http://tinyurl.com/2b3fn7

    • plf515 on December 31, 2007 at 01:23

    I think the next 20 – 30 years are the key.  If we make it to, say, 2025, I think we will look back on this era the way people now look back on….oh…

    duck and cover

    Jim Crow

    Hitler, Stalin, Mao…

    World Wars 1 and 2

    Atomic bombs dropped in anger

    Polio

    Millions of people starving in China

    As Moms Mabley said:

    The good old days.  I was there.  Where was they?

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