Waterboarding. It’s the new black.

If we are to be forced to swallow the latest “it isn’t illegal if the President ordered it or if his flunkie Attorney General says it isn’t illegal” line of crap, then I have a few questions.

When will we see Mister Bush, Alberto Gonzales, Dick Cheney, Michael Mukasey or any of the other torture enablers and apologists volunteer for this entirely legal technique?  After all, if it is only a dunk in the water, or just like swimming, then these brave defenders of torture, er “legal” interrogation techniques should be more than willing to assuage the doubts of millions of Americans as to what they make sound like a trip to a waterpark.

And in this “post 9/11 world”, why, if waterboarding is so necessary that the dance to thread the needle and make it legal-because-it-isn’t-expressly-and-specifically-illegal, was it only used on three people?  Why not continue to use it?  Why were tapes of this torture, damn, there I go again, “happy fun swim time” destroyed by the CIA despite warnings not to destroy them?  Are we now so weak that we aren’t using all of the tools at our disposal to stop terrorists before they kill us all?  Wouldn’t this administration want to show these tapes over and over and over again to show all of us “terrorist supporting critics” how much fun it really is?  Or even better, how much it works?  

Oh yeah….that’s right.   It doesn’t work.

But let’s put aside the silly “it doesn’t work” argument, because it is irrelevant if it is legal and, if we take the next step from what is being said by its proponents, something that all children should learn, just like the backstroke.  We do know that declassified CIA documents from the 1960’s (yeah, I know, when the world was perfect and before 9/11 changed everything) said the following:

The effects of isolation, anxiety, fatigue, lack of sleep, uncomfortable temperatures, and chronic hunger produce disturbances of mood, attitudes, and behavior in nearly all prisoners.  The living organism cannot entirely withstand such assaults.

The Communists do not look upon these assaults as “torture”.  Undoubtedly, they use the methods which they do in order to conform, in a typical legalistic manner, to Communist theory which demands that “no force or torture be used in extracting information from prisoners.”  But these methods do constitute torture and physical coercion and should never be considered otherwise.

Now if the things above were considered torture by our own CIA, then wouldn’t something along the lines of attempted murder also be considered torture, let alone illegal?  Or, can we now try to strangle or suffocate someone as long as we stop before actually killing the person?  Can I stuff rocks down someone’s throat if I give them the Heimlich maneuver afterwards?  And taking a more similar example, can we now hold someone’s head underwater (in a tub, toilet, lake, pool or whatever) over and over and over as long as they don’t die?

It sounds like precedent to me.  But why stop there?  Why not train the local police in this very legal interrogation method so that it can be used to get information from suspected kidnappers or child molesters or people that get stopped in the airport security and dare to question why?  After all, shouldn’t we be using every tool at our disposal to question suspects, and you never know where the next terrorist is lurking?

I think that the fact that waterboarding isn’t used anymore, despite Bush ordering it, Mukasey refusing to investigate it and the CIA destroying tapes showing it and Gonzales declaring it legal shows how weak this administration is in the WarOnTerrorâ„¢.  If it is so legal, if it is akin to swimming or a dunk in the water then why not demonstrate the American public in plain sight what it really constitutes?  And why not use it on every single detainee in Gitmo, Riker’s Island and other maximum security prisons?

Hell, why not take it one step further – we can make it a reality TV show and make it a contest where the winner can win a prize.  Or even better, install it as a ride at Six Flags – think of how popular it would be if only the rest of the world understood just how legal and fun it can be.

It can be the latest craze.  

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    • Diane G on February 8, 2008 at 16:07

    You nailed it…

    “The Lottery” for fun & entertainment, where your number comes up, and they see how far you can go, before they bring you back to life!

    Why stop with adults, get rid of child protective services too, after all, it isn;t abuse or torture if they don’t end up dead, they confess, are punished and become better little citizens soldiers!!!!

    A slope too far?

    Fuck yeah.  It was a slope too far the very first time anyone was tortured in our names, with permission.

    It is a bleak society that tries to paint difference between the atrocities they are doing, and the atrocities I have named above.

    Bloody hell, what kind of monsters have we become?

    Thanks, dear for writing this, and the cross post!

    L,

    D

    • Edger on February 8, 2008 at 18:33
    • DWG on February 8, 2008 at 20:33

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/

    The controversial interrogation technique of waterboarding was a hot topic in a House Judiciary Committee hearing today, at which Attorney General Michael Mukasey said the Justice Department would not investigate the legality of the actions of U.S. interrogators on terror detainees.

    CNN’s Situation Room reports that Vice President Dick Cheney, an ardent defender of U.S. tactics in the war on terror, was “defiant” about the use of waterboarding on suspects in an appearance today at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C.

    Cheney said that he supported President Bush’s national security decisions, which included the approval of waterboarding along with other harsh interrogation tactics. “I’ve been proud to stand by [Bush], by the decisions he’s made,” said Cheney, who then asked aloud, “Would I support those decisions today?”

    “You’re damn right I would,” he answered himself, to loud cheers.

    All those movement conservatives love it, too; hence, the loud cheers.  Hopefully, this bastard will be standing by Bush in front of the International Criminal Court one day.

  1. what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander…..

    • Tigana on February 8, 2008 at 21:00

    barney waterboarding t

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  2. Along with your other analogies: Some wag I came across in my Googling over the past few days said something brilliant like, “Hey, how can it be torture – we use it in training our CIA guys?” To which I immediately thought, “Well, gee, by that logic, just because some guy is shooting at our troops doesn’t mean he’s an enemy – I mean, we do that in training, too, during live-fire exercises!” Gee, this opens up a whole new world of possibilities!

    Be well, my friend.

    • nocatz on February 9, 2008 at 04:29

    but it’s something

    Deep Harm @teh Orange caught this

    UN Commissioner urges nations to prosecute U.S. waterboarding

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/

    the Reuters link

    http://www.reuters.com/article

  3. surprised by what BushCo do. Humans are not nice and cuddly as a species. We are by nature, backstabbing, murdering individuals. Leave a bunch of kids unattended for a few hours and see what happens, not a bunch of kids who are already friends but a bunch of kids who do not know each other very well. All BushCo really is is the true manifestation of humanity as a species. We have to be trained from childhood to not steal from each other, to share, to behave correctly, to not despise that which is different. If humans were nice beings we would not need religion and intensive study to achieve “enlightenment”.

    Look at it this way. The Old Testament God was vindictative, manipulative and cold. He supposedly created us in his image, so put two and two together and what do you get. Cmon, the man wiped out the entire earth because he was pissed that his creation in man wasn’t working out. You don’t get anymore vindicative than that.  

    • Temmoku on February 10, 2008 at 06:03

    about 28 deaths….Deaths that no one wants to admit to.

    That is, 28 deaths that can be documented, but how many were never recorded?

    When the first bodies turned up in Baghdad (after Negroponte arrived) with hands handcuffed behind their backs and drill wounds in their bodies and heads as well as bullet holes and other marks, all I could think of was Nicaragua. But the bodies were blamed on al Qaeda, even though the police use the handcuffs and the handcuffs are returned to the police….and that was the beginning. It was suspicious that the bodies were found in the river and showed signs of torture….but, of course we don’t and we wouldn’t, would we? Not even in South America. Not even in Vietnam under the Phoenix program.

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