I hate being right about people. Especially when I’m being less than charitable. I was always a bit leery about Obama and his flowery bullcrap.
Somehow everyone else would listen to his words and think that this guy could do no wrong. I’d listen to him and hear weasel words like ‘combat’ troops (I’m going to withdraw ‘combat’ troops). Translation: We’re not leaving Iraq if BHO is president.
He capitulates on FISA. He won’t consider impeachment. He votes for the Patriot Act reauthorization. Over and over he hands Bush a blank check for Iraq. He wants to expand the military; in a country that already spends nearly 50-60% of it’s discretionary funds on the military machine this man wants to expand it.
Some of the people over at the Big Orange are waking up. However they’ll still vote for BHO. We’re the majority; if we decide to actually vote our consciences then Nader can really be president. At the very least it’ll scare Barack to move back towards the left as he sees the poll numbers shift.
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.. only if we stick together and vote our consciences.
you, me, and rjones2818. We’ll need a few more votes, but I’m definitely on board!
Do you really want McCain as your president? There is no doubt that Nader is the most principled person left in the race, but he will never garner more than 5% of the vote, if that. I lost all respect for Nader in 2000. If he had held a press conference one month before the election, with-drawn and pleaded for his followers to support Gore, we wouldn’t be where we are today vis-a-vis Iraq, oil prices, spying on our selves, etc. ad nauseum.
The best option is fine, but it has to be the best feasible option.
… I’m voting for Obama, but with a very heavy heart.
Because I know that once he is elected, I’ll be fighting against him.
I don’t think there are any good choices right now.
And it’s not lesser of two evils, either. I find that notion to be meaningless.
It’s a hard road we have to travel.
that I could vote for with my conscience, I might be willing to consider the risk. But Nader…not so much.
I know we can be certain he’s not a corporatist. But other than that, I don’t see much that he has to offer. He can’t even figure out a way to work with the Green Party. How’s he supposed to manage the presidency and deal with all the mess in DC? And I have serious concerns about his lack of understanding of the issues related to women and people of color.
Electoral politics, and specifically the election of a president in November, isn’t going to change very much for the better, but it could make things a whole lot worse. Going to a third party candidate now (I have no ax to grind with Ralph) just marginalizes the left even further because Ralph can’t get the resources necessary to win an election, all he can do without organization and money and support is be a spoiler (2000) or irrelevant (2004).
It’s already too late for electoral politics for November. I think the progressive left has to begin at the ground level and build a new party and a new movement. I don’t think it can be done before 2012 at the earliest. I do think it’s worth the effort to get moving on it.
In the meanwhile, I think we’re stuck doing what we can to elect the Dem candidate and hoping that he’ll move the nation back from the fascist excesses of the past 7 years. Failing to support him is going to make Bush’s 2nd term look like a cakewalk compared to his 3rd.