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Liberals need another George McGovern-and perhaps conservatives do too

In the home stretch of the ’72 campaign, [George] McGovern said, “Government has become so vast and impersonal that its interests diverge more and more from the interests of ordinary citizens.”



I was digging around the internet for statistics on liberals, conservatives, and moderates. And ran into a conservative (Bill Kauffman) writing with reverence about the left’s George McGovern. Interesting, I thought.

Especially the part where he talks about McGovern crediting George Wallace’s appeal as a candidate to “a sense of powerlessness in the face of big government, big corporations, and big labor unions.” He asked Wallace for his endorsement, though as he recalls with a smile, “He said, ‘Sena-tah, if I endorsed you I’d lose about half of my following and you’d lose half of yours.'” Well, maybe, guv-nah-but just think of the coalescent possibilities of the remaining halves.

“It is not prejudice to fear for your family’s safety or to resent tax inequities. … It is time to recognize this and to stop labeling people ‘racist’ or ‘militant,’ to stop putting people in different camps, to stop inciting one American against another,” said McGovern, who called the Wallace vote “an angry cry from the guts of ordinary Americans against a system which doesn’t seem to give a damn about what is really bothering people in this country today.”

What hits me in my gut is that last line…

…an angry cry from the guts of ordinary Americans against a system which doesn’t seem to give a damn about what is really bothering people in this country today

I wonder if the liberals/progressives exerting power over politics, policy, and message understand that, dimensionally.  Do we listen to “what is really bothering people?”

I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks. We can’t beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats.

Howard Dean

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Barack Obama

I wonder about the angry cry… of ordinary Americans; more urgently, I wonder who these ordinary citizens are. Howard Dean tried to acknowledge them and got shut down pretty quickly. Barack Obama is being conditioned to NOT make such heretical assessments, like why ordinary Americans might turn to god and guns.

As I see it, here’s the problem for progressives (emphasis mine)…

Historically, the Confederate flag is a symbol of the Democratic Party.Today, however, Republicans can fly and wave it, but Democrats can’t talk about it–and current Democrats don’t know how to handle it …Democrats know the divide in the South is race. Republicans have exploited it. Democrats have evaded it.

Jesse Jackson Jr.

This isn’t just a north and south thing; it is a them and us issue… whoever the them and us are.

But how to do this? Can we hear ourselves? Reject our own prefab prejudices?  All this sleight of hand, to distract from the real marauders in expensive suits, who have perfected controlling the narrative… their perfect story absolving me of responsibility because, and you know it’s coming: someone else is to blame. The bad people: the Rev. Wrights. Hippies. Communists. Osama bin Laden. Terrorists. Bleeding heart liberals. are responsible for all the bad stuff that happens

How can progressives unravel this toxic tangle of cultural/ethnic/racial biases without insulting those who have succumbed to the manipulations and machinations of greedy, power mongering politicians, corporatists, and religious extremists?  

Reality sucks.  

We do, btw, have statistics to tell us who we are and what we believe. And, according to statistics, we are a LIBERAL country. By alot… Democrats know this. Why are they content to leave us struggling, thinking we are sooooooo fucking alone? Why don’t the Democrats reach out to this middle, who may vote Republican but in poll after poll are much more like us???? WHY????? And why, dear good god, why haven’t we been better at bridging the chasms gaping in every direction among us?

…the average for the past 30 years [has been] (20 percent liberal, 33 percent conservative, 47 percent moderate). And yet when “moderates” were questioned by pollsters for Louis Harris and Associates in 2005, they turned out to share pretty much the same beliefs as self-described liberals-they just couldn’t bring themselves to embrace the hated label.

Over the past 25 years or so, regardless of the party in power, about 37% of the country has self-identified as liberal or progressive or Democratic or “Blue;” about 25% of the population has self-identified as conservative or Republican or “Red,” and the remaining 35% percent – call them moderates

It should come as no surprise that conservative media figures repeat the myth that most Americans share their views. Even when Democrats win, conservatives claim that their ideology is still dominant. On election night 2006, Fox News Washington managing editor Brit Hume acknowledged that Democrats were winning, but stressed that “from what we could see from all the polling and everything else, it remains a conservative country.”

But we don’t control the narrative. Even though we’ve had this almost 50 years of Democrats in control of Congress.

We have millions of American children under nourished, living in poverty, and in unstable conditions. These children are American children… white, black, hispanic, asian, christian, jewish, muslim. It matters not.

These are our children. These children will one day grow up to become neighbors and fellow citizens.

Who will be listening to them?

More importantly, will they be able to listen to one another?

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    • pfiore8 on June 8, 2008 at 20:13
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    do we shut down others when we don’t agree with their points-of-view?

    do we tell them to post somewhere else? or tell them what to write and/or talk about?

    how do we listen to each other and talk to and with each other?

    • Robyn on June 8, 2008 at 20:37

    Ordinary Americans think I don’t exist or shouldn’t and don’t matter…and shouldn’t…for I am not by any means ordinary.

  1. I don’t like them.

    I would rather say something like, “I disagree with you because . . . . ”  “Why don’t you explain your reasoning to me?”  “That’s very biased, why do you feel that way?”

    Well, you get my drift.  I have heard things said in my midst using labels where I have had to bite my tongue, though, because with some people, no amount of effort would dissuade them, and no amount of effort to get them to examine what they said would reap any results.

    Some people love their prejudices — it makes them feel superior in some way.

    Interesting and thanks, pf8!

  2. its my feeling that people identify as ‘moderate’ but skew liberal when they would protect their own rights, but dont trust others to have them…

    everyone thinks his/her compass…moral or otherwise…is the truest…

    so, no..i DONT listen to everyone.  i dont give a flying fuck what a confederate-flag-flying (and, btw, i can turn my head 45 degrees to the left, look out my back window, and see one in the back window of the neighbor behind me’s ford pickup) has to say about anything.  really…not anything…

    i choose to peacefully coexist with these particular neighbors (which is hard sometimes…especially when the drunken teens leave their late-night bonfires and invariably hit parked cars on every street in the neighborhood…)  and to coexist with many people im ideologically disgusted by…but listen to them?  life’s too short.

    and  i know you have 84720938567 reasons why im wrong, and i dont choose to listen to those, either 😉

  3. which is here (PIPA stands for Program on International Policy Attitudes and is run by the University of Maryland), and you root around in the polling data for American views and attitudes on policy issues, you will find that American attitudes on specific issues line up pretty nicely with so-called “progressive” attitudes.  To pick just one example:

    Only a small minority supports the idea that the US should take the preeminent leadership role in the world. Gallup has frequently asked about “the role the US should play in trying to solve international problems.” In February 2007, only 15% said the US should take “the leading role,” while 58% said the US should “take a major role but not the leading role.” Another 25% said the US should take a “minor role” (21%) or “no role” (4%). There was a slight bump up in support for the US playing the leading role after September 11, rising to 26% in February 2002, compared to just 16% in February 2001. However, a majority (52%) continued to endorse only a major role in 2002, similar to the 57% who held this view in early 2001.[1]

    That is from a subsection of the section on American attitudes towards the US Role in the world.

    And this:

    Bipartisan majorities believe government spending on defense should either be kept at present levels or scaled back (Republicans 61%, Democrats 83%)

    Given the opportunity to balance the foreign affairs budget, members of both parties favor non-military over military programs. On average, Republicans cut defense spending $110 billion and Democrats slash it by $264 billion.

    These examples could be mulitplied endlessly.

    The point I want to make is that these sorts of stats are generally not known.  The most important fact to understand when trying to understand why America is not more progressive is, I think this: Most Americans are progressive but most Americans think most Americans are not progressive.

    That is due to the functioning of power-friendly media.  Watching TV and listening to the radio, you would think that the monied class (not the “conservatives” whatever that means in this context) represents the interests of a sizable portion of the US population.  You would think that Thomas Friedman or Robert Kagan or the average “pundit” was speaking for a large portion of the American population.  You would think that the debates that get discussed in newspapers were reflective of debates that Americans actually want to have.  In fact, they do not, but the illusion that they do is what makes most Americans think most Americans are not progressive.

    Hence, you get the entirely pervasive and understandable thought, among Americans, that “Socialism or more foriegn aid  would be great except people are too greedy.”  How many times have I heard that?  Too many to count.  When I am grading essays in a class on Moral and Political Ideas, I see it practically every day.  

    In fact, people are not too greedy.  But people think other people are too greedy.  And we can thank the top-down media for fostering that illusion.

    To put it succinctly: the primary function of the big media is to hide America from America.  Because if America ever saw America, the owners of big media would be in big trouble.

  4. was very small but at least they were there.

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