(8 am. – promoted by ek hornbeck)
A kind of political air freshener seems to have dulled the nostrils of some progressives. Either that or for them the aroma of the festering lesion anchored in the executive branch and fed by tendrils deep in the muck of Congress on both sides of the aisle has abated. The odor of Constitution-dismantling legislation and executive orders, the rendition and detention and torture and murder associated with the “war on terror,” the spying on citizens, and the all-round knavery magically seems to have transformed itself into a bowl of pot pourri.
Made insensate by this, some progressives say that, come January, if the man behind the desk in the Oval Office is Barack Obama, we should forget about eight years’ of doings by George W. Bush, Richard Bruce Cheney, Condoleeza Rice and their cabal. Establish a committee along the lines of the 1975-76 Frank Church Committee as the ACLU and others have suggested? Nah. Waste of time. Just like impeachment. A diversion of attention from crucial issues when our nation is hurting and there is so much important stuff to accomplish: energy, health care, getting out of Iraq.
In the interest, therefore, of moving forward on what’s essential, their reasoning goes: “Let bygones be bygones.”
What’s the point of talking about investigating next year anyway since Mister Bush will probably pardon these guys five minutes before he leaves office? Just be glad they’ll be out of our hair even if that means they’re off the hook. Leave them to their conspicuous consumption and other plutocratic games. The future is what matters. Move on.
Ugh.
This approach takes Hunter’s exasperated sigh on the first day of Netroots Nation and turns it upside-down:
There will be reconciliation, and reconciliation will be defined by the conservative punditry as letting bygones be bygones — anything but that will be unacceptable and partisan, in itself.
That’s a critique not a plaudit.
The sort of reconciliation the oligarchs and their media megaphones want to impose is missing a crucial element: Truth. Not merely the truth of what we already know – domestic spying, unjust detention, “disappearance” of funds, rendition, torture, extrajudicial everything including murder – but also the truth of still unknown stuff the administration did or continues to do. Unknown stuff some of which predates the current administration, unknown stuff some of which may well continue afterward. The kind of stuff Spies for Hire author Tim Shorrock wrote about in Salon last week:
“If we know this much about torture, rendition, secret prisons and warrantless wiretapping despite the administration’s attempts to stonewall, then imagine what we don’t know,” says a senior Democratic congressional aide who is familiar with the proposal and has been involved in several high-profile congressional investigations.
“You have to go back to the McCarthy era to find this level of abuse,” says Barry Steinhardt, the director of the Program on Technology and Liberty for the American Civil Liberties Union. “Because the Bush administration has been so opaque, we don’t know [the extent of] what laws have been violated.”
The parameters for an investigation were outlined in a seven-page memo, written after the former member of the Church Committee met for discussions with the ACLU, the Center for Democracy and Technology, Common Cause and other watchdog groups. Key issues to investigate, those involved say, would include the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance activities; the Central Intelligence Agency’s use of extraordinary rendition and torture against terrorist suspects; and the U.S. government’s extensive use of military assets — including satellites, Pentagon intelligence agencies and U2 surveillance planes — for a vast spying apparatus that could be used against the American people.
Specifically, the ACLU and other groups want to know how the NSA’s use of databases and data mining may have meshed with other domestic intelligence activities, such as the U.S. government’s extensive use of no-fly lists and the Treasury Department’s list of “specially designated global terrorists” to identify potential suspects. As of mid-July, says Steinhardt, the no-fly list includes more than 1 million records corresponding to more than 400,000 names. If those people really represent terrorist threats, he says, “our cities would be ablaze.” A deeper investigation into intelligence abuses should focus on how these lists feed on each other, Steinhardt says, as well as the government’s “inexorable trend towards treating everyone as a suspect.”
The future is what matters. Another decade or two of allowing the maggots to hollow out the Constitution could make that already dicey future grim indeed. Avoiding it, if that is possible, means, first off, putting away the perfume and inhaling deeply of the stink. Doing so properly requires not the wussy, half-hearted, half-assed, wink-and-a-nod investigation that we’re all-too-familiar with, but a thorough, ruthless, hard-core, full-bore, no-questions-evaded probe that not only digs deep but also goes as far back as needed to get the whole picture, even if that means taking up where Frank Church left off 33 years ago.
Why then all the shrugs about an investigation? Is it that paralyzing plague of progressives – outrage exhaustion? Has despair settled in permanently because the gauge has red-needled so frequently and hopes have been dashed so often by people who were supposed to be our allies, people we fought to get elected? Is it a feeling that there’s no way to get a full-blown investigation, and that any attempt will go lame 15 minutes after the opening gavel, so why bother? Is it a sense that leaders who took and kept impeachment off the table will do the same to any investigation, so why even dream about it? Is it fear that the complicity of some Democrats will be revealed to extend farther than now imagined? Is it a weird perception that spending time investigating the fundamental undermining of democratic rights will somehow interfere with implementing universal affordable health care and building a heartland corridor of wind turbines?
In the case of some alleged progressives, opposition to investigation and follow-up action is easily understood. They think Mister Bush and his crew haven’t done that much wrong. For instance, the pernicious views of legal scholar and Obama adviser Cass Sunstein regarding the unitary executive make his objections to going after the Cheney-Bush cabal perfectly understandable, if nonetheless reprehensible. Both Armando/Big Tent Democrat at TalkLeft and Glenn Greenwald at Salon have demolished Sunstein’s pro-Bush statements in this regard and his subsequent attempts to whitewash them. Wrote Greenwald last week:
Jane [Hamsher of Firedoglake] also asked [Bruce] Fein about Obama adviser Cass Sunstein’s recent statements that Bush officials should not be prosecuted for their illegal detention, interrogation and spying programs. To get a sense for why this matters, National Journal this morning listed Sunstein as one of a small handful of likely Supreme Court appointees in an Obama administration. But — similar to Fein’s point regarding Jay Rockefeller, Jane Harman and comrades — Sunstein has long been one of the most vocal enablers of Bush radicalism and lawlessness, having continuously offered himself up over the last seven years to play the legal version of the TNR role of “even-liberal-Cass-Sunstein-agrees-with-Bush.”
For some progressives, the lack of enthusiasm for a Church-style committee emerges from the certain knowledge no conceivable Congressional probe will ever take a gander at the machinations of bipartisan American empire, so why urge any poking around at all? From such a perspective, any investigation will simply be an elaborate pretense run by Democrats and Republicans to lull Americans into thinking something is actually being achieved even as the corporatist elite continue their plunder and rapine as usual.
This kind of thinking denies that any good information came out of the flawed Watergate, Church Committee or Iran-contra investigations.
No doubt chances are slim to none for prosecuting the Cheney-Bush crew as well as for passing relevant reforms designed to shield citizens from the outlawry of future leaders. But slim is always better than none. Without a Congressional investigation, there’s no chance at all. How can progressives reconcile themselves to that?
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… to have an informed public.
I did something the other day I haven’t done in a long time — feline suggested we liveblog the non-impeachment hearings in front of Conyers’ committee regarding Kucinich and Wexler’s bills.
So much of it was bizarre, not being able to use this or that word because it was too scary to think this might lead to actual impeachment.
But the sense I got from the hearings, from the voices I had respect for, was not a progressive or “party” view but the kind of American view I thought had totally vanished from the earth, if it had ever really existed to begin with.
Don’t mean to hawk my essay (well, yes I do), but it’s parvenus and pariahs, not political affiliation or philosophy.
Parvenus are the political establishment we have at present, including the grassroots activists who are supporting that establishment, for good or ill reasons. They will often put the top priority on political party over anything else, staying in power.
The pariahs are those who can make decisions outside of ideology or even their own passionate “causes.”
So that’s a little different view … but I agree completely with the theme of your essay and support it wholeheartedly. But not as a democrat (which I am) or a progressive (which I don’t really understand the meaning of) — rather in solidarity. Hope this isn’t too much of a ramble, MB.
could have a Church Committee to unravel all of this.
I think progressives all assume that if we just put “nicer” people in power it can never happen again. Of course, that attitude or any of the other denialtudes out there are what will allow the cycle to begin again at some point in the future when all has been forgotten.
These abuses will continue to happen unless something is done about it. I expect the real reason nothing will get done for some time is that a good many of the people who are charged with doing something about it were (and perhaps are) complicit with it.
If I were in charge, the first thing I would do is tell all those who were complicit to come forward immediately or fact the same sanction that the perpetrators will.
Thank you for this.
For example, Chairman Conyers posted this Slate article, Crimes and Misdemeanors on his blog yesterday, that has a very interesting interactive visual of the primary players implicated.
We live-blogged over there Friday, also, and he posted on the prior thread that he was looking forward to reading it.
After Friday’s hearing, I felt like a Church-style committee was quite possible. I’m extremely enthusiastic about it. I’m not sure why some progressive wouldn’t be, unless they don’t want to make themselves vulnerable to possible disappointment?
Thanks.
again by Beltway politicians of both parties unless we start organizing massive demonstrations in D.C.
How many times do we have to be betrayed by these politicians before we figure that out?
How many progressives live within a 3-4 hour drive of D.C.?
A million?
Two million?
Why can’t we fill the streets of D.C. with progressives demanding full investigations and prosecutions of these BushCo criminals?
Why can’t we do that once a month?
Aren’t the stakes HIGH ENOUGH?
Is THAT it?
WTF?
We’ve witnessed an 8 year crime rampage without precedent in American political history. Off-the-charts abuses of power and obstructions of justice. If Democrats let all that go, and if all we do is blog about it, we deserve to be shit on forever.
Peak Oil isn’t going away … we might be able to pursue a crash program that takes the pressure off declining crude oil supplies …
… but then again, we might not. And the price elasticity of demand for gasoline and diesel is awfully low. So if $140/barrel crude at current rates of import is going to suck out 5% of GDP as imports on its own account … what would $300/barrel or $500/barrel do?
The present environment, except for self-imposed crises, is relatively benign … we are bouncing along the Peak Oil plateau, and climate crisis have only started to kick in. We need to shore up the social infrastructure for when the really rough seas hit.
this has happened because nobody stopped the criminals in our gov’t 35 years ago. this will continue to happen, whether we have democrats or republicans in office, without the American PUBLIC demanding accountability.
it is depraved that anyone on the democratic side should even suggest there will be no accountability.
for torture.
for destruction of millions of lives.
for illegal war.
for selling our country to the interests of a few.
accountability is far more important than electing a dem president. and that push comes from our cries…
but then, why is this so surprising? dems have refused to enforce fucking congressional subpoenas!
and another horrible blow… to think this guy could end up on our supreme court. so much for that argument to elect a dem president.
and the blows just keep coming
For those who may have missed it, here is the Sunstein/Greenwald debate on the FISA Vote, Executive Power and Prosecuting White House Officials for War Crimes
Transcript from DemocracyNow.org July 22, and video in 4 parts…
1 & 2…
3 & 4…
As far as I’m concerned, you can re-post this once a day until the infection is cleared up.
I’ve marched in Washington against the war and the Bush administration. By god, if Rusty gets his wish and a million or more go to D.C. to reclaim our government, I’ll be among ’em (as will some others I know).
Linbruls ARE “soft on crime”
Especially crime by authority figures.
When oh when will we as a society get over this ridiculous “Republican father figure” bullshit? Especially when daddy has proven over and over to be an abusive parent.
In conjunction all thoughts here, I find the following words of Ms. Pelosi UNBELIEVEABLE!
Pelosi said she would impeach if she knew of a crime he committed
Apparently, Ms. Pelosi needs enlightenment! Let’s get her up to date!!!!
Fax: 202-225-8259
Phone: 202-225-0100
Email: [email protected]
Please call, FAX and email Speaker Pelosi with your lists of Bush Administration crimes.
To help you compose a letter or other communication, review the following.
last night on Jon Steward, it was disheartening. The more the truth rolls out the lamer the excuses offered are for not enforcing the LAW. Feingold who bills himself as a ‘progressive patriot’ was asked on Contdown during the FISA debacle if he was for prosecuting the Bushies crimes and he backed right down. Going on about how he wasn’t ready to commit to it. He stated last year that impeachment would be too trying for the people.
None are interested they grand stand do their faux dance in useless hearings but none both sides are going to do a damn thing. Power ceded is never undone ever, their is also the issue of complicity. They legalized or ignored the Constitution and laws from the start, they funded and pillaged the constitution all under the guise of were a minority or other political reasons it’s bs if they really prosecuted their part in this horror show would be revealed.
The Democrats have no interest stopping the Unitary Executive or reigning in any powers how ever illegal they are. The politics are not the only reason there is the fact that both parties work for the same entities and it’s not us the people. Progressives view politics through the lens of party and refuse to see that they have once again been Bamboozled.
the overall American track record pretty much since Korea?
OK pick your starting point. Manhattan Project. Cotton Gin. Jamestown.
Back to the present: We’re living in nonsense times.
Nonsense times as I see them thru history are variously the suspicious confusion just prior to the collapse of civilizations, or the chaos that leads to the hopeful suspicious confusion just prior to the creation of a great leap forward.
I’m not much of an optimist. But optimist or pessimist, I recognize a reality that is extremely transient when I’m living it.
Wherever it is we are, we won’t be here much longer.