The line dividing good and evil

If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

My first job out of college over 30 years ago was as a counselor in a residential program for chemically addicted teenagers. I had lived an extremely sheltered life as a “good girl” and trained to be a teacher. When I graduated, there were no teaching jobs available. This one came along, so I took it. I didn’t have to wait very long to learn I was in way over my head.

The kids in the program lived there for 6 months. During the first few weeks, we didn’t see their families at all. After that, they joined us once a week for family therapy groups.  I still remember one young man in the program who told me his story during those first few weeks. The abuse he had suffered at the hands of his mother was horrific. In some ways I dreaded meeting her. In other ways, I was anxious to do so and give her a piece of my mind.

I’ll never forget what happened when I finally got that opportunity. I interviewed her privately before the group session and heard her story. The terrible things she had done to her son paled in comparison to what had been done to her as a child. My heart broke as she cried with me and I realized that she had actually come a long way in her life and was trying to do her best as a mother.

That experience early on in my career laid the groundwork for me in many ways both professionally and personally. I guess the old adage about never judging someone until you’ve had a chance to walk in their shoes sort of sums it up. I’ve found that no matter how evil someone has been in this life, if they’re willing to honestly tell you their story…it all begins to make sense.

That doesn’t mean I think we should excuse people for their behavior. When dealing with the mother I referred to above, we were all very clear with her that she was to NEVER hurt a child in any way ever again. And she was in the midst of paying the consequences for her actions. But when I heard her story – I felt a human connection with her and the compassion that comes from knowing that in her place, I might very well have behaved the same way.

I have recently been having similar questions since the Republican Convention was here in my town and I saw the way security was handled. The problem for me was that many of the people involved in all of that…the Mayor, the Police Chief, the Sheriff, the City Attorney, and the President of the City Council…are all people I have known for over 20 years. I consider most of them my friends. Beyond that, I know them well enough to know that they are good people. But they were all involved in doing something that was horrific to me.

So I end up asking myself alot of questions about human beings and human nature…our capacity for good and evil. And I wonder about my own capacity for the later in all its many and varied forms. We are always much more adept at seeing it in others than we are at seeing it in ourselves.

As Solzhenitsyn says, there is no such thing as an evil “them” to be banished from our midst. If we’re going to get rid of or reduce evil in the world, we’re going to have to find a way to sort it out in our own hearts.

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    • Edger on September 28, 2008 at 17:15

    is crap, in other words. There is no day without night, and vice versa.

  1. … is not that one does or doesn’t have compassion for others, but how to deal with human actions that harm others or, in the case of our society/government, harm the world, the planet.

    Actions have consequences regardless of the motivation.  Our laws have always taken motivation into account (i.e., first degree murder as compared with manslaughter – in both instances, someone is killed, but the penalties are very different).

    I guess I’m trying to figure out how to connect the two, how our compassion and inner change (“it all starts with me”) connect with our behavior both as individuals and as a society.

    Perhaps we would make better decisions if we were more in tune with that compassion, the place where we make decisions as a society would be more sane.

    Yet I wonder … we still have to fight.  I think the questions you bring up about the folks in law enforcement that you have known for so long are so pertinent to this.  How to change the behavior and decisions of people who have this kind of power.

  2. needed to be destroyed, since they were based on conformity and the shunning of those who didn’t conform. In the destruction though, the line between good and evil became malleable and those who are less than morally strong if they do NOT have a clear moral code to follow were able to inch the line further and further towards ‘eveil’ being acceptable.

    For instance, a United States Senator having a sex worker (verbotten) diaper him (verbotten) for money (verbotten) and still is serving in Congress and as such, considered a moral leader according to the previous standards. Even though he was a fierce champion of the very standards he violated. Obviously the old rules no longer apply to those who choose to ignore them.

    Then too, there is torture, previously the mosy heinous moral transgression.

    Thus it is an inescapable though very scary fact that we need to find a new moral code, a new definition of good and evil and a new way to ‘enforce’ it.

    This would be a very good thing if these decisions were in the hands of trusworthy people, trustworthy guides. Perhaps we have to wait until some of the more catastrophic changes we are facing occur before we can make, as the new version of the human race we are in the process of becoming, the decision of what is now good and what is now evil. And how to apply those new standards. The line (referencing above comments) between the light and the dark is in flux right now, as we discover who we are now, post-whatever it is we are currently passing through.

    • Edger on September 28, 2008 at 18:42

    These are rather esoteric talks, but here they are for anyone interested in “esoteria”++

    ++today’s as good a day as any to invent words, I guess;-)

    John Searle is an American philosopher interested in philosophy of mind.

    Here are some key elements of Searle’s position.

    * Rejects computational theory of mind with his Chinese Room argument.

    * Rejects Cartesian dualism. Probably rejects property dualism as well.

    * Study of consciousness using scientific method IS possible. This is very much against previously conceived notion that goes something like “consciousness is known subjectively only, thus scientific inquiry from third person perspective cannot explain consciousness.”

    * Reduction of consciousness to neurobiological phenomena is not strictly possible since nuerobiological phenomena loses the qualitative feel of subjectivity. One must tackle this problem directly without eliminating consciousness.

    * Rejects epiphenomenalism, so he admits free will is real. I think he now takes somewhat agnostic position on this issue.

    John Searle: Beyond Dualism Pt. 1

    Part 2:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctniu9
    Part 3:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFg4ik
    Part 4:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5U8Hr
    Part 5:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buvUPU
    Part 6:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnnOz5
    Part 7:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MP-Re
    Part 8:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Uqjo

  3. for the human, the dualistic individual, myself included but for those who seek and get power, no. Law enforcement is a dicey proposition at best, there a fine line between the crooks and the cops. The concepts and individuals that push law and order, punishment, security and power, have gone over to the dark side that we all contain. They have become the Good Germans.  

    The mother is more understandable easier to feel compassion for. She too grieved for herself and the damage she inflicted on her son, and the evil she subjected to. As a society we have all accepted the Dark. I see it in our entertainment in our myths (including religion) in our world views, everywhere. Granted we all have it in our hearts but when these people who have power are able to call this necessary and right, it does require that their power be taken away.

    Rather then wondering how good people can do these things I wonder why we as humans grant them the power, enable them. When I here good people my friends and neighbors say things like ‘War is necessary, were just animals after all’ and justify this extremism as natural. I am more frightened for us then when I watch the killer monkeys who have power and offer security or winning. Compassion for the human condition but not for the power they take and feel is good and necessary. Sorrow that this is their view and that they are allowed to inflict it upon humanity, and are rewarded for it.              

    • banger on September 28, 2008 at 21:42

    One of the most powerful things Jesus said was “love your enemies”. I’ve often meditated on this and realized at some point that Jesus didn’t say “don’t have enemies” but love them. In the same way Krishna admonished Arjuna on not wanting to fight his kinsmen. It was Arjuna’s dharma (job) as a warrior to fight the battle of Kurukshetra. Anger was never given as a reason to fight but love of duty and doing what is right. Your police chief may be an honest man but he has chosen the side opposite like Krishna’s kinsmen who were fighting of the other side in favor of leaders who represented the forces of unconsciousness and anger. One might say he was doing his duty as he saw it just as you and I must do our duty by opposing him. Krishna ended up killing people he loved.

    Mindfulness and true meditation results usually in an intimate knowledge of the enemy within–we can’t help seeing the evil (willful ignorance and/or the desire to stir up our negative and basest emotions) inside of us which are the tendencies (vasanas) that bind us to perpetual pain. We can only have compassion for those who follow the negative course–it could well be us. But we need have no doubt that those people who freely work on behalf of negative forces are the enemy who we can and must love and at the same time oppose–just as we love even that part of us or the part of our lover that is negative for, in the end, it is only through that compassion and awareness that evil energy is tamed.

    One of the chief weakness of the left as a whole is self-doubt (we intuit the correct morality but we are apologetic for that intuition) and ignorance of the perennial philosophy. We don’t need a build a new moral code–it is inherent and discoverable in all the great traditions and can be and is being retuned for our contemporary world. At the moment there are many ambiguities but the obvious cartoonish evil of the oligarchy has made the lineaments of evil plain to see both within and without and thus one of the great features of good is to oppose that evil within and without as a start.

  4. came in the form of an expatriot assignment.  This does several valuable things.

    One, you are removed from the usual mainstream media propaganda of one’s “nation”.  

    Two, you get to see how another culture deals with “reality”.  It is that contrast that sets you free to think for yourself.

    You also get to see the sanitized versions of what CNN world news presents.  Like how CNN presents America to the world and deliberately avoids the calculated “fog” effect seen on CNN domestically in the US.  After all commercial media has to distill their “news” right back down to a level mouth breathing six year olds can understand.  For an example of how Satanic this concept can be you should study this website in all of it’s glory.  Managing the perception of “your” people for your personal financial or lust of power advantage.  Cool Huh.

    http://www.scl.cc/home.php

    • kj on September 28, 2008 at 22:58

    is not just a theory. for some people, it is the difference between living their lives or just crawling through it.

    what does “embrace the shadow” mean to me?

    it means acknowledgement, awareness, admission that a dark side, dark angels, exist inside me and the tools of their trade are rationalization and justification.  i don’t know about anyone else, but inside myself, those tools are sharp and ready to go.  ðŸ˜‰  

    there was a story i read once, about merge lanes on highways.  long time commuters know where the merge lanes end.  every  morning, people choose to drive their cars fast while in the lane that is soon to disappear, all to force their way into the line nearer the front.  so this guy was one of those people.  he zoomed every morning until one day, he got all ‘moral’ about it and started getting in the lane that wasn’t going to close.  he felt so good about himself, so righteous.  and it didn’t take long for him to become pissed at the drivers in the other line, even though he used to be one of them.  pretty soon his resentment turned to anger and he would tailgate the car in front of us so no one could cut in front of his car.  this went on.  finally one day, he saw himself… saw what he was doing, saw how he had justified his behavior to himself, and started laughing.  now he leaves a little earlier for work and just mellows his way through the lanes.  he called it “merge easy.”

    the story cracked me up because i recognized myself.  i’m a fast driver, a good driver, and very competitive.  so now i sing the lines from Bruce’s song “the highways jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive” and understand that i’m just another broken hero on the road.

    i still drive fast, i’m still competitive, that shadow is embraced, but it rarely rules my actions anymore. i try to “merge easy” and not be an aggressive driver.  just a fast, good driver who loves to driver.  ðŸ˜‰

    there’s an example, don’t know that it was worth the time it took to type it out!   lol

    i am responsible to myself to see this shit, own it, and deal.  and when i’m wrong, when my instincts have come into collusion (not literally, as in, on the road!) with another’s, there is a point where i’m going to know i need to apologize, and i do.  and i do that as much for myself as for anyone else.  

    • kj on September 28, 2008 at 23:06

    that’s a whole nother set of stories.  aiiee.  difficult to talk about.

    for me, compassion is tied to forgiveness, that’s the short of it!

    the long of it is very long!

    after i read a book by the dalai lama, i created a one-line mantra for myself (i have about a zillion one line mantras that i pull out when needed) and that one is:  “Let compassion become the center of my being.”

    now, that doesn’t mean i am that person.  but i recognize that it’s probably a good thing to bring into consideration when i’m pissed.  i mean, probably a really, really good thing!  lol

    • kj on September 28, 2008 at 23:11

    “I have no compassion for those who are not compassionate.”

    and…

    “I have no tolerance for those who are not tolerant.”

    i’m not so into duality, my goal is to find another way, a way that includes both but doesn’t become so gray there is no definition.  

    • kj on September 29, 2008 at 00:27

    there is this guy at work, he’s union, been with the company his whole life.  on my very first day i was warned by a couple of people to never, ever trust this guy.

    long story, of course.

    here’s the thing; every one there, from managers to me, know this guy is a lier and he loves to stir up trouble.  all day long, he roams around, engaging people in conversation to talk about so-and-so who isn’t pulling their weight, or doing this, or doing that.  he has a circuit.  everyone knows he does this, but many still buy in.  two seconds after he wanders off to the next person, the person he was just talking to is all pissed off about something or other.  he spreads negativity… and he is successful.  

    he doesn’t speak to me, but that’s another story.

    that’s the power of that groove, that anger, rage and rants can travel in ourselves.  we can buy into it, or opt out.  i know if and when i buy into it… i damn sure better make it a choice… as kitty talked about months ago, as a response, not just a reaction.

    • kj on September 29, 2008 at 03:21

    quotes that might apply to this essay:  not sure of their origin, one might be a paraphrase from Jung, one from someone i’ve forgotten.

    The brighter the light, the darker the shadow.

    He who is all humble is half-proud.

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