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The Washington Post just published a story about yet another memo (pdf) released by the Senate Armed Services Committee. Its from the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency, who are responsible for the SERE program.
The military agency that helped to devise harsh interrogation techniques for use against terrorism suspects referred to the application of extreme duress as “torture” in a July 2002 document sent to the Pentagon’s chief lawyer and warned that it would produce “unreliable information.”<…>
The cautionary attachment was forwarded to the Pentagon’s Office of the General Counsel as the administration finalized the legal underpinnings to a CIA interrogation program that would sanction the use of ten forms of coercion, including waterboarding, a technique that simulates drowning. The JPRA material was sent from the Pentagon to the CIA’s acting General Counsel, John Rizzo, and on to the Justice Department, according to testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.<…>
“The requirement to obtain information from an uncooperative source as quickly as possible — in time to prevent, for example, an impending terrorist attack that could result in loss of life — has been forwarded as a compelling argument for the use of torture,” the document said. “In essence, physical and/or psychological duress are viewed as an alternative to the more time-consuming conventional interrogation process. The error inherent in this line of thinking is the assumption that, through torture, the interrogator can extract reliable and accurate information. History and a consideration of human behavior would appear to refute this assumption.”
So the creators of the techniques not only called it “torture,” they warned, as early as July 2002, that it would not produce reliable intelligence.
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to argue with the creators of the program about this. But I suppose the wingers will give it a try.
— US to Reveal Alleged Prison Abuse Photos, truthout
how can they NOT prosecute these evil fucks?
… for stealing his comment and quoting in its entirety, but I think it gives another perspective on this.
I’m getting dizzy from the stories within the stories and am enormously grateful to Valtin for his analysis. I think it’s going to be very important for us to read critically any statements that come out from these kinds of agencies.
What truly bothers me is why should there be any discussion at all about whether torture works or not? Cheney and others are doing a good job of deflecting and diffusing the gravity of what has been done and, in measure, efforts seeking to justify torture — you know, maybe, it’s not so bad. There are no merits to be discussed one way or the other. Even it it “worked,” hypothetically, the crux of it all is that torture is illegal period. There’s NO wiggle room, no matter how this person, that, this agency, that, attempt to portray it. TORTURE IS ILLEGAL — illegal under our own statutes and illegal under the International laws. So, any attempts to even discuss the merits of torture one way or the other should be dismissed and such efforts attacked as to the REALITY of the situation. We tortured — torture is illegal. End of story! And, of course, it is immoral, but one assumes that the illegality of it would include the immorality of it, as well.
geomoo spoke of this very thing in his current diary.
(Thanks for posting his comment.)
The above was intended to follow the last sentence in the first paragraph.