the most ‘normal’ stuff they did. When you turn sadists loose on people you cannot control what they will do. The so called intelligence community and especially the CIA needs to be reigned in not praised. Secret police are always a bad thing, a sign of a evil regime which operates outside the laws of civilizes societies and a danger to the rest of humanity.
To justify this as necessary to keep us safe is disgusting. The war itself is /was criminal so even the justification that were at war is nonexistent. Aggressive war is a violation of international law, according to the Nuremberg laws, so is the excuse of just following orders.
Transparency is good but not if we reflect and then ‘look forward’ leaving the legal apparatus in place and condone the necessity for using such atrocities as tools or call humans high value suspects. Are we supposed to just be Good Germans and march on to our next cooked up war or enemy. The war on Terror is endless, a perfect Goldstien forever boogieman, with secret enemies and secret spooks fighting them. Obama must think the whole country is as stupid and sociopathic as the right wing lizard brain 20 % that cries for blood and killing. The world is no more dangerous then it’s ever been, well actually with us weilding power it is pretty scary. Brazil was a scary movie and were living it.
Who will protect us from the spooks that torture and spy? Obama the benevolent king? How about the rest of the world who will protect them and their children from these lunatics?
Let me look it up one more time for Mr. Obama & Mr. Holder, in case the people they’ve staffed the DoJ/Office of Legal Counsel with are asleep at the wheel or still following Jay Bybee & John Yoo’s lead…
International and U.S. law prohibits torture and other ill-treatment of any person in custody in all circumstances. The prohibition applies to the United States during times of peace, armed conflict, or a state of emergency. Any person, whether a U.S. national or a non-citizen, is protected. It is irrelevant whether the detainee is determined to be a prisoner-of-war, a protected person, or a so-called “security detainee” or “unlawful combatant.” And the prohibition is in effect within the territory of the United States or any place anywhere U.S. authorities have control over a person. In short, the prohibition against torture and ill-treatment is absolute.
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A federal anti-torture statute (18 U.S.C. § 2340A), enacted in 1994, provides for the prosecution of a U.S. national or anyone present in the United States who, while outside the U.S., commits or attempts to commit torture. Torture is defined as an “act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control.” A person found guilty under the act can be incarcerated for up to 20 years or receive the death penalty if the torture results in the victim’s death.
I can look up the definition of “accessory after the fact” too, if it will help them?
Oh, and there’s a quaint piece of paper called the Constitution too, that I think is still in force?
As I posted over at YT, excellent vid — but I would quibble with one thing: The drowning is not “simulated.” If continued long enough the victim would, indeed, drown. They just stop it (one hopes) prior to that point. Therefore, the victim is, indeed, “drowning.” Just not in a lake or a pool.
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the most ‘normal’ stuff they did. When you turn sadists loose on people you cannot control what they will do. The so called intelligence community and especially the CIA needs to be reigned in not praised. Secret police are always a bad thing, a sign of a evil regime which operates outside the laws of civilizes societies and a danger to the rest of humanity.
To justify this as necessary to keep us safe is disgusting. The war itself is /was criminal so even the justification that were at war is nonexistent. Aggressive war is a violation of international law, according to the Nuremberg laws, so is the excuse of just following orders.
Transparency is good but not if we reflect and then ‘look forward’ leaving the legal apparatus in place and condone the necessity for using such atrocities as tools or call humans high value suspects. Are we supposed to just be Good Germans and march on to our next cooked up war or enemy. The war on Terror is endless, a perfect Goldstien forever boogieman, with secret enemies and secret spooks fighting them. Obama must think the whole country is as stupid and sociopathic as the right wing lizard brain 20 % that cries for blood and killing. The world is no more dangerous then it’s ever been, well actually with us weilding power it is pretty scary. Brazil was a scary movie and were living it.
Who will protect us from the spooks that torture and spy? Obama the benevolent king? How about the rest of the world who will protect them and their children from these lunatics?
Let me look it up one more time for Mr. Obama & Mr. Holder, in case the people they’ve staffed the DoJ/Office of Legal Counsel with are asleep at the wheel or still following Jay Bybee & John Yoo’s lead…
U.S. Code: CHAPTER 113C–TORTURE
Summary of International and U.S. Law Prohibiting Torture and Other Ill-treatment of Persons in Custody
I can look up the definition of “accessory after the fact” too, if it will help them?
Oh, and there’s a quaint piece of paper called the Constitution too, that I think is still in force?
Here.
I really like this.
Thank you. I’m going to “viral” that video, as well!
The Torture Tour!*
h/t David Swanson
Can you imagine a bird that “digs” Ray Charles, big time?
Funny video clip of a bird who loves to dance to Ray Charles music. Hey this song would make anyone want to dance. 🙂
As I posted over at YT, excellent vid — but I would quibble with one thing: The drowning is not “simulated.” If continued long enough the victim would, indeed, drown. They just stop it (one hopes) prior to that point. Therefore, the victim is, indeed, “drowning.” Just not in a lake or a pool.
…hours ago. Shows in the right side bar, but is not recorded on the “Who’s rec’ed this” list.
So…RecRecRec buhdy dear!
Will go up at my site later today.