LIHOP

Okay, normally I am NOT an advocate of LIHOP or MIHOP, and though I do not stand for the MIHOP or the Building 7 theories, the shit spoken by CIA Bin Laden expert Michael Scheuer gave me a massive truthache, considering the projection on display by Republicans as of late.

    So, someone please tell me how all this adds up.

Take one Michael Scheuer, ex CIA and OBL expert in charge of catching OBL, and then follow his recent comments from the last few months here.

    First came this mindfuck of a statement by the guy whose job used to be to catch OBL.

At :24 seconds into this video

Scheuer:     ” The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. “

Scheuer:    “Because it’s going to take a grassroots, bottom up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. It’s an absurd situation, again. Only Osama can execute an attack that will force Americans to demand a government protect them effectively, consistently and with as much violence as necessary. “

    Then, a few months later, Mr CIA cathc Bin Laden Scheuer says this.

Michael Scheuer:     “Oh sure we’re going to be attacked, Brian, and it doesn’t carry, and, you know,  Rahm Emanuel wants an attack. He loves crisis, and crisis, the Democrats, he says, can get all of their programs through. These people simply do not care.


    This bullshit is too much to ignore, waaaaay too much.

    Anyone who has done their research KNOWS that we tortured in order to create false evidence of an al Qaeda/WMD/Saddam connection.

    And anyone with two eyes in their head and a functioning long term memory knows how the Bush/Cheney crime syndacate used 9/11 as a backdrop to, as Scheuer phrases it and I paraphrase “and crisis,{insert Political Part HERE} , he says, can get all of their programs through”

    So, really, WTF?!?!

    If the guy who was supposed to catch OBL is now rooting for him and claiming that the now in charge Democrats want a terrorist attack to happen so they can use it to push their agenda through, on Fixed News of all channels where the Truthers were tarred and feathered, I can not ignore the irony and projection all balled up together.

    Plus, knowing full well the kind of criminal bastards that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rive et al were, I don’t think we can ignore the possible reality that Bush and Cheney literally let 9/11 happen on purpose.

    Therefore, I open up the floor to debate, and am hoping that someone might be able to talk me down, as I feel as though I have fallen down a deeper, even darker rabbit hole.

though I don’t give any weight to MIHOP, as I think the Bush/Cheney team were to incompetant to pull it off, I would love to discuss the possibility of LIHOP, and am glad for anyone who can give me some real evidence for or against the possibility.

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  1. Some one talk me down, or show me some evidence that they did. My head is spinning.

    • Edger on August 30, 2009 at 21:58

    but the people who put Bush and Cheny in the WH ere not too incompetent to take over the US Government by installing Bush and Cheney, nor were they too incompetent to hire competent demolition people

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

    802  architectural and engineering professionals

    and  4579  other supporters including A&E students

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  2. Whether it was on purpose or because they were too focused on finding a way into Iraq, they let it happen even after being told Bin Laden was determined to attack, ignored warnings, etc.

    This is most definitely not CT.

    But it is what Tocquedeville got banned from dkos for saying.

    So keep it here where cooler heads prevail.

    Unless you want to go out over there with a bang someday. 🙂 I’ll stand beside you if you do.  

    • banger on August 30, 2009 at 23:29

    I am stunned that they would talk this way–yet not surprised. We live in the most incredible period in human history.

    Just for the record, if you examine the evidence closely you will find that there is no possible way the official story to be true. We need a real investigations using normal procedures based on forensic evidence.

    • TMC on August 30, 2009 at 23:40

    “The Democrats will let it happen again”. “Only Republicans are American enough to protect America”

    Crap sounds familiar? It was how the Republicans helped lose the election for themselves.

    As for Scheuer,is he making these outrageous assertions to cover his ass?

  3. That on September 6th, 2001 I received a department-wide memo issued to all NYC based Sun Microsystems System Support Engineers advising us that there was to be a site-wide powerdown of the entire WTC complex that weekend, and to be prepared to assist our customers within the complex if they had trouble bringing their data centers back up.

  4. for consults.  There is a benevolent side, maybe.

  5. and Im the first to admit Im no science geek…lol.

    I kind of looked at it from a slightly different angle. I guess I watch too much teevee, crime shows, ha. Lets just presume that the science, and technology, aspect of it all  is totally feasible and believeable .. it is.

    Then I thot, okay…

    did they have motive? Well, yes, follow the money.

    Opportunity? Sure.

    Money, power, access, to actually do it or let it? Of course.

    Then my final question was… are they really that evil and depraved?

    You know the answer to that one, esp after reading the various reports (ICRC, Levin’s, IG)  over the last six months.

    Yes.

    {shrugs}

  6. You think he’d trust 19 arabs with box cutters to pull it off?  Considering the neocons’ long-held grand designs for permanent war in multiple nations?  If they even considered LIHOP, it would immediately move into MIHOP territory, without a second thought.  They wouldn’t take any chances on potential failure.  Sure, Roosevelt could have relied on an effective Japanese attack at Pearl harbor, unaided.  But 19 guys with box cutters and four planes hijacked and flown spectacularly into buildings?  With NORAD algorithms in place?  LIHOP is really unthinkable.  If you go there (IHOP), you might as well go all the way.  You can’t go there a little bit.  I now find LIHOP to be the absurd position.  Everything is massively manipulated.  How else did “too big to fail” mutate into “too bigger to fail?”

    • Inky99 on August 31, 2009 at 04:15

    I could easily post a hundred links or more that would blow your mind on all of this.  

    It is so freaking obvious that the official story is bogus, a joke, really, and that the Commission was a whitewash.   Hell, people are starting to come out and admit it openly.  

    It’s still a big stinking black hole of mystery as to who was really behind it.  

    But it seems it was people who have no particular allegiance to any country, per se, but to interests that transcend borders.  

    There’s an alternate universe of power and money out there, just like we have a “shadow government” there’s a “shadow world” of power and money and influence.   What we are told, and what we are allowed to see, is something of a front for the rest of it.  

    If you look at who benefitted from 9/11, several prominent entities come up, a few of which seem to have traditionally competing interests.   It seems odd that they may have teamed up on this, but when you look at what really goes on behind the scenes, it starts to make a lot of sense.

    But the parallels between 9/11 and the JFK assassination are pretty stark, the M.O. resoundingly similar, including the way that the patsies were set up ahead of time, the psychological affect on the American audience considered in largely the same way, the list could go on and on ….

    If you really get into this, you’re talking volumes of really fascinating stuff.

    But yeah, MIHOP or LIHOP, Cheney was just part of the conspiracy, and quite likely not the head of it, but maybe.    Bush?  The guy was an idiot puppet, appears to have been pretty heavily medicated most of his eight years in office.   Just a tool.   Tenet and Buzzy Krongard?   Now you’re talking.   Look at Buzzy Krongard, look at Cofer black, look at Bandar Bush, Riggs Bank, the Pakistani ISS, the nuclear black market trade coming out of Pakistan  ….. and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.  

    It’s crazy.  

  7. Michael Scheuer is a dickfore.

    • Inky99 on August 31, 2009 at 08:24

    This site is amazing:  

    http://www.historycommons.org

    I did a search just for John Farmer, one of those in the Commission who smelled a rat early on.   Check all this info out:

    http://www.historycommons.org/

    He has now written a book, which was originally was to have been released by now, but now his publisher has pushed the date back to God-Knows-When.  

  8. many hours sifting through the alternate CT’s… There’s info, disinfo, misinfo, noninfo, and infotainment.

    But I did it, I surfed and scoured, and in the end, if you approach it with a skeptic’s eye and scientist’s mind, the heart of a vampire killer and the persistence of a hungry pack of dogs, if you add it all up, the conclusion is stark and ugly.

    Anthrax, asbestos, free-fall, New Pearl, the database, the barbara, “the bay of pigs thing”, paperclip, thyssen, mineta, minot, mexico city, microbiologists, more… and more to come, most assuredly.

    I couldn’t begin to list the sites or regurgitate the ‘proof(s)’ of my own assemblage of thought, but pick a site that looks like info, disinfo, or whateverinfo, and dive in. Even Alex Jones is right sometimes. Keep your wits about you and don’t follow any specific line too far in the beginning. Get a broad look, see where that leads you. Then see what really makes sense and what is fluff. You have to make your own red pill or you won’t believe it was the real red pill. But don’t think it’s a matrix, think of a hive of hives. Or maybe metaphorically and allegorically –

    “Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,

    Seven for the Dwarf-lords in halls of stone,

    Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die,

    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne

    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

    One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,

    One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.”

    good luck.

    “This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.”

    P.S. if you don’t believe anyone or any group could be so “evil”, start with a google search of “ponerology” and a book called “the psychopath next door” or something like it. search for “narcissistic personality disorder” or “antisocial personality disorder” and Functional MRI. The science is done, and the proof is that they exist in greater numbers than you ever imagined, and they are very capable.

  9. (snark alert)

    People do not realize the power of Osama Bin Laden’s particular brand of evil.

    On that morning eight years ago he was able to alter a few fundamental physical laws and truths.

     Such as:

                    Lowering the melting point of steel from 2,500 degrees farenheit to 600-800.

    Making gravity into a destructive engine, capable of hurling 20 ton steel beams laterally at 50 mph to land 600 feet away from the WTC,….making gravity disintegrate the tens of thousands of file cabinets, computers and telephones in the WTC so that no identifiable pieces could be found.

    LIHOP or MIHOP do not take into account the super human evil that Osama Bin Laden possessed.

  10. First, my background. I’m a former Air Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal Specialist (18 years exp. in bomb disposal military and private), been to Iraq twice, and a former law enforcement officer. I pulled four Secret Service Presidential Protection details for Presidents Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton.

    That the Bush administration knew of a coming attack cannot be debated. They were warned in the August 2001 memo. John Ashcroft stopped flying commercially months prior to 9/11 based on FBI information.

    So, for those who DON’T question the “official” story, here are my questions to you:

    1) How is it that Vice-President Cheney was hustled to the shelter below the White House the morning of 9/11 by the Secret Service, but, President Bush was NOT hustled from an exposed elementary school by the USSS travel team? You DO remember Andrew Card TELLING Bush that “America is under attack”, by hijacked aircraft, yet, the USSS agents didn’t get the President to a safer location? Why not?

    2) After 9/11, I attended a law-enforcement only FBI briefing on the 9/11 hijackers. The FBI agent showed us how they had tracked all of the supposed hijackers around the world, some for as long as 19 years, but, claimed that when these individuals entered the United States, suddenly, they could not find ONE of them. Not ONE. They could track these people from third-world country to a desert cave, but, couldn’t find ONE of them inside our own borders? Do YOU believe that? (On a side note, later, the FBI claimed it had NO EVIDENCE that these 19 individuals actually committed the hijacking).

    3) Argue WTC 1 and 2 all day long. Tell me how WTC 7, which was NOT hit by an airplane, had the same superficial damage as other buildings around the WTC complex, suddenly dropped into its footprint minutes AFTER people inside were TOLD to evacuate because the building “was coming down”. First, who had ESP to KNOW the building was coming down in the first place?

    4) How was it that all four hijacked aircraft only were 30% filled, or less, of passengers and the manifests didn’t include the names of the hijackers?  If the hijackers got through security, they had to be ticketed passengers, yet, not one manifest names the hijackers.  And, we are talking 757’s that hold 180 passengers carrying less than 30%?

    5) It’s a fact that one FBI agent Coleen Rowley states that higher-ups interfered in and obstructed her investigations into Zacarias Moussaoui’s belongings.

    Answer those questions, and then wonder about the rest

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