Dog-gate, lol.
Edit#2: be sure to go read Michael’s great piece also.
Edit#1 all the way at the bottom…LL.
Okay look, its raining and Im fingers-numb cold and my connection might fizz out, but I want to talk about this little bru-ha.ha on another level, with a new spin. “Crisis equals opportunity” and all that.
We have a record-breaking number of comments in the essay up there on the top of the List and a sheepish, wait, wrong word, maybe sobered? Underdog this morning who I imagine is feeling like its been much ado about nothing. Well, I dont think its nothing but I also dont think it should fall on the shoulders of Underdog alone, nor should he be somehow a Martyr for the Cause re censorship or CT or that.
Id like to look at this, a step further, and see if we can shift it into a “teachable moment”, a more activist moment. I encourage your thoughts in comments. A few of my own across the divide.
Yes, there are numerous other headlines and issues we could be discussing, of course. And we are, we do, we will. But, let’s face it, we are really “preachin to the choir in here (DD).
I read through all the comments in the afore-mentioned essay and I can bounce around and be convinced pretty quickly, lol, but I had to step away and think about this from afar. Let me say, Im not talking about CT censorship or specific issues or items exactly. Its more…hmmm… a matter of, oh what am I trying to say?
How are we going to make any kind of headway, change, growth, progress, if, as Progressives, we only manage to get ourselves shut down or locked out of mainstream? And I am tagging dKos blog as mainstream here. What’s the point of YELLING LOUDER in the back room, the soundproofed rubber room doghouse? (Sorry, no offense to DD, I meant this Shangri-la we got here, really!!) We can SCREAM BLOODY MURDER in here all we want. So what? if only WE can hear us.
Does it not make more sense to also Yell Smarter, and of course sometimes also LOUDER, in other more mainstreamish venues? Not just DK but, as several folks here often urge, in other blogs, and LTE’s and wherever whenever.
FWIW I never read markos’ book, crashing the gates, so I dont even know what that theory is, but… hmmm. (Feel free to enlighten me!)
A lot of people, bloggers, are really good writers with a pretty solid grasp of things. Buhdy has certainly hit on his own “formula” (lol) that works, and Im thrilled that MoT is really hitting his stride these days too. We need more like that. More and better, and better yet again. Like Underdog. And we shouldn’t be waylaid or overthrown or bamboozled by bullshit like this Rule or that. Fine, there’s Rules. Theres “decorum”, even in the halls of Congress. If you violate* them, theres consequences. Not just the official formal Rules, but the subtle ones. Like you get tagged as a Nut or Fringe or whatever. So… what good is that?!? If we Progressives cant even crash the dKos gate, what the fuck are we doing? How the hell are we gonna effect ANY kind of sea change in this country, this culture, if we cant figure that out.
And … dont you think that Meteor Blades is about at least a nano-light-year ahead of ME in this line of thinking? fer petes sake.
*okay, in my opinion, underdog did NOT violate that Rule, so thats a different discussion, but… okay here I go. Coming in here to DD and refusing, on principle, to put up with that shit etc over there … fine, good solid principled move there, but… what does that accomplish? Where does that get you (or you, or you, or me) in the end? If we all, one by one, roll over and fall out the bed, who does that leave.
What goal or ideal, or purpose, does that serve??
(Im sorry Underdog, to be calling you out, Im using you, your example, and I do not mean to make a martyr of you. Its not just you.)
Is it possible to instead capitalize on this incident as a “teachable” moment? Test the rule. Challenge the thought police gray-ish alleged “violation”. And the Warning System attached to it. “Banned” until you agree that you committed some offense? Oh yeah, that does burn me too. But dont get mad get even… lol… no, thats not it, but challenge. If you stand on principle… then, commit to the follow through. I’ll stand with you.
Im not telling anyone to do this, Im brainstorming and thinking out loud here on this. I admit Im the biggest chickenshit in the room so maybe Im lecturing my own self, I dont know. lol. The thing is… me personally, I dont waste my time or energy fighting or debating with idiots. Id rather spend my energies luring and winning over those who may be wafflers, or leaners, or maybe just under-informed. Im not one of the Movers & Shakers, in any environment, just not my skillset. What I do tend to do, and often not very well, is… nudge. If I see someone I respect & admire veer off course a bit, I’ll go in and nudge them back on track. Sometimes I step on toes by accident in the process. So my apologies if Im doing that now.
If Im just full of shit, dont hestitate to blast me. LOL. Okay, Im takin a deep breath and steppin out for a smoke. I dont… its rare for me to post something like this.
Peace.
EDIT/UPDATE: I should try to clarify here… my thinking… I do NOT mean to challenge the Rule about CT specifically (over there). The Principle, the issue for me, is more narrow and smaller scale. The Issue being… regardless of the reason, that Offficer Kos-Kop would issue a Citation, a Warning, that includes a Ban until you acknowledge the Offense. The catch-22 of that, the unfairness of accepting a slap on the wrist that requires you to apologize or concede a wrongdoing PRIOR to there being any kind of Hearing or opportunity to defend, or Guilty Plea or Finding. sheesh, now Im going all lawyery. The pre-emptive Banning, thats what I object to. And the blackmail Confession requisite.
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My answer to this is basically my next essay (coming soon to a docudharma near you).
in that thread. I won’t be surprised if they ban me too.
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but the dang embed is disabled. I hate that.
FWIW
has remained ajar. The door wash pushed wide open when the diary that started this was published and then made the “wreck” list making it nearly impossible for the topic of LIHOP/MIHOP not to come into the discussion. What are they planning to do, ban everyone that agrees that there are too many questions that have gone unanswered about what led up to 9/11 and the aftermath? There is no way to discuss the war crimes committed by the Bush/Cheney regime without 9/11 being raised at some point. Just look at what we already know about the CIA, the FBI and the wiretaps. They need a fucking reality check over there. Yeah, I said “fuck”.
best:
“I always like your commentary, but to force some one to acknowledge something they ( by my not so single opinion) have not done, is unacceptable to a principled person.
Please realize this is not a personal affront against you.
In the interest of justice, can`t you rescind the ultimatum?
You are the person to do it, & with the power to.”
…and DKos was the Super Up-n-Comer thing in Dem politics that I was about six clicks to the left of anybody in the clique. I knew that I was ten clicks to the left of Heath Shuler even as I worked hard to get him elected as a step in the right direction. I knew I was well to the left of Hillary, of Edwards, of Barack Obama. But once the in-crowd made its decision I still worked hard to get Obama in the White House. Worked to get Hagen elected to Lizzy’s seat too, just so’s we’d be able to boast a Democratic Senator for a change. I’m way more radically socialist than any of the ‘ins’.
But I don’t get to run the country (or the world). So small baby steps in a certain direction are okay. This world ain’t heaven. But when DKos determined to summarily ban me for no good (or even explained) reason, I was okay with it. They’re now the Status Quo Defenders and thought police, they’ve re-erected the gates they once crashed, installed razor wire on top, and locked it hard against the likes of me. Guess I’m d-d-d-dangerous!
It was a good start in the right direction. But there comes a time when you’ve just gotta move on. That’s okay too.
Crashing the gates
which morphed into crashing no gates
then we are the gatekeepers
Another one
1776
1976 the first swine flu fiasco 200 years….hmmm…would have been just in time for Global 2000.
I know what you were trying to say, and I agree. 🙂 As someone who’s been suspended from Dkos once already, I figured I should do some branching out.
Besides, I’m just here to support Mr. Al Underdog.
I am CT neutral in some areas and not in others. I want to bash my head against the wall when I have to listen to the anti-vaccination crowd and they can get pretty vocal. I imagine that is because I am just a tool of the medical establishment and BIg Pharma and Big Medicine and whatever other forces there are associated with that discussion.
And I don’t see how endless discussions about 9/11 change the end result. There was very little CT connected to Katrina just a massive display of government indifference to the poor. I was shocked that people were shocked by that. Is one really worse than the other? Whether your government actively plots against you or not is almost irrelevant given that capitalism itself will always triumph regardless of who is actually in power. Corporate America really did not care whether McCain or Obama won.
I sometimes wonder if CT distracts from the larger question of whether we can have a peaceful revolution or not but I hate to see somebody banned for it which is why I think it is great we CAN have those discussions here even though I am rarely interested in participating.
And being angry at DK can be a waste of time. Participating there or not is in my opinion a matter of individual choice not dogma. I know that Rusty for example who I adore disagrees strongly with that and many decent people are treated horribly there by the mob. I find it weird that people actually invest time and energy on ferreting out those to be targeted. They need pets and more housework to blow off energy. It is very creepy to witness. So I do understand why some just won’t post there.