(11 am. – promoted by ek hornbeck)
Science has always been under attack from the Right, who never let things like factsiness get in the way of their guts. Hell, Mulder had nothing on the right-wing tribe of “we want to believe.” Look at the Warren Report. Science is their Enemy. Logic the Anti-Christ.
It is no surprise that after the 60’s revolution, there was a concerted effort to dumb down the Population, discourage critical thinking and demonize science while elevating Religious Radicalism in the National center stage. Reagan was a direct result of Nixon, not so much as direct revenge, but the result of think tanks using logic to create a more manageable populace.
Science is painted as cold, impersonal, arrogant. People may be all of those things, but science cannot. Science is merely a process, devoid of all anthropomorphism.
It is a PROCESS of applying LOGICAL thinking to known data.
Like, say, a bullet cannot make 5 both lateral and vertical turns, through bone and erupt in a pristine state.
Or that DNA evidence proves we are all related, moving from the cradle of life in Africa outward.
Science, no matter how you feel about it, feels nothing. Math is the same way. We all know the basic process:
While many will point to the past failings of observational science, such as “flat earth” as proof of science’s shortcomings, again, I reiterate, it is not because of the process these conclusions were drawn, merely the human error in inputting raw data.
I have this debate often, in my own living room, when it comes to the study of Astronomy. “How do they know the Universe is expanding, or what the hell that star is made of?”
“Doppler Effect.”
“Spectrum Photography.”
I find most people find it like sausage; they really don’t want to know what goes into it, they just want to either eat it or not eat it. I will grant, our observations are made with a basis of known elements, and there may be completely alien elements that we are unable to observe from our carbon-based flat line. However, the Doppler Effect works exactly as anticipated from our Earth-based test when applied to the Cosmos with NO variation whatsoever.
Critics say that this means everything we know or hold to be true at the moment may be fluid. Of course, they won’t deny the Law of Gravity, but cherry-pick that of which they choose to be skeptical. Usually the sausage-level stuff, things they neither want to, or perhaps are incapable of researching and trying to understand.
I respond, of course it is fluid; again, a PROCESS.
The problem with any study is in eliminating enough variables to find a thread of observational data that acts in a predictable enough way to be considered a sound theory or Law. Nothing exists in a vacuum; unless we create that vacuum for the process of study. Science seeks to clear away the muddle of cobwebs first, then examine the process as whole thereafter. To understand the web, one must know the materials that created it.
Analytical thinking created the very arts that are seen as “warm” and fuzzy. What is music at its very core than the science of applied mathematics?
It is a Universal Language.
“Cold Logic” ahhhh, logic is as human as lust; in fact without logic we would spend all our time on the latter, never even realizing that lust is merely a chemical logic biological imperative to breed with the best of species. Without logic, we’d probably forget to eat.
The creation of “Gods” was originally logical to our evolving species, as an explanation for the inexplicable: “Where did that Sun go at night, anyway?”
Not that we have it all down, but the process itself is a beautiful construct that every day creates new wonders. Light itself changes from wave to particle by being observed, and if that doesn’t blow your mind, it somehow anticipates that observation by changing as it passes a “blind” depending on whether or not someone is on the other side to observe it.
How fucking cool is that?
It is our very nature to continue applying Science and Logic to our World, to explore and discover. Science is no more cold and calculating than a toddler staring in wonder at the prism of dew on a blade of grass. It is curiosity and wonder. I reject wholly the notion that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive; I find the more we learn, the closer they become to being one, despite our tendency for binary thinking and dualism.
Is the wonder of the green of that blade a grass lessened by it being reduced to a “machine” when one observes the tiny little chloroplast factories doing their thing, or does it amplify the wonder to a new level?
As quantum mechanics and string theory introduces the idea of multiple realities; is that not an amazingly parallel explanation to shamans, gods and the lines of the world? It proves that those observations were not flawed, but now seeks to explain them.
“Science is a new Religion, and just as Faith Based as Religion.”
I say poppycock. Science works endlessly to prove itself wrong. Find a theocratic process that does that, and we’ll talk.
Instead, we have a concerted effort in this country to discredit the very Process that is the only thing between us and the cave. They have managed to convince enough people that science is flawed to have only 51% of the Population believing in Global Warming. They count on the lack of Logic in society to cover the fact that Exxon-Mobile, one of the World’s largest polluter FUNDED the counter-research. Of course, we don’t even want to look at how many now believe in Creationism and Intelligent Design and a very young Earth.
If there was ever a time we needed to laud Science to fight back the stooopid, it is now. Cable carries 14 God channels and only 2 Science channels. Think about that.
Otherwise, we may as well just go back to asking where the sun goes at night.
Me? I’ll take my facts straight up and cold as hell; stir it reasonably with logic, and suck it up with a sense of awe and wonder. I prefer the Cold Comfort of Logic to the Unreliability of Human Nature. I like reality.
Science Rocks.
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You know that, right?
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but Ill have to read later since I have to go help my kid with her stupid SCIENCE homework, for which I am quite worthless, Im afraid. I figured out a long time ago that Im not actually “bad” at math & science (like I thought growing up) … I just HATE it. {sigh}
In my opinion the reason religions are so popular is that they, as you state, answer questions that ancient man, without the benefit of empirical scientific evidence, could not wrap their minds around. But I believe the main reason they remain so popular even to this day, considering the wild fairy tale claims that are inclusive to faith based belief systems, is that religion answers the one BIG metaphysical question that all humans agonize over: what happens to us after death. All religions answer this question for the faithful, no longer do the true believers have to ponder death, they KNOW where they are headed, or at least they’ve convinced themselves that this is their truth, and that’s fine by me as truth is relative to the truth-seeker.
Science also answers this fundamental question, albeit not to a comfortable satisfaction to those who cannot fathom the idea of life after death without consciousness. The way science comforts me in a spiritual manner and explains what I can expect after death is as follows.
All the atoms and matter that exist in our bodies, our planet, our solar system, our universe were created in the fiery forge of the Big Bang and the subsequent stars that formed from that event. We are composed of starstuff and henceforth will return to the stars eventually, when our sun decides to swell to massive size and engulf the Earth and blow the whole planetary system back into the void of space, to be reformed into who knows what.
According to the 1st law of thermodynamics, conservation of matter and energy, when I die, the atoms that make up my body will not just disappear, but simply break their material bonds and form other substances and gases. All the matter that presently makes up the earthly gotterdammerung will still be around, only not in the form as is presently known, I can’t be gotten rid of that easily, I’ll still be around somewhere in the universe, only not in bodily form. IMO what will no longer be present is consciousness, synapse fired thought, that will be gone. This is the concept the religious faithful cannot get past, the idea that things just end as far as mental activity. And to that I say; Why is it so hard to imagine a void of thought, a nothingness after death? What, pray tell, do you remember from before you were born, and why can’t we just return to that state?
Here’s a great quote from Richard Dawkins:
Science is my religion.
of the human intellect. I always thought of it as something God (if she exists) gave us so we’d be able to exert some control over nature as well as ourselves. But science can be as corruptible as any other enterprise engaged by humans, and has been rather notorious for just that sort of thing over the centuries. It requires as much oversight and systematic control as other human pastimes, such as politics and law and health care and such.
Aside from being in the perennial business of inventing weapons of mass destruction and gifting them to crooked, evil politicians, science is amoral enough to have ultimately caused as many problems as it’s solved. That comes from the usual human sin of pride and the pretense that anything we do is in any way some sort of Absolute Truth [TM]. Scientists often forget what science is, and that’s a shame.
So taking the wide view, it’s not surprising that the moronic (average IQ) masses invested in fairy tales tend to automatically distrust any science that inserts itself obtrusively into public policy pretending it does represent an absolute, and purporting to have the capacity to judge moral imperatives. For those ‘conservative’ and ignorant-by-design masses – i.e., those who are terrified of change and progress as well as badly/barely educated – science is easily viewed as The Enemy. A goodly part of that situation rests with scientists themselves. Who are notoriously bad at marketing.
without Science, we’d still be,
hunter & gathers, living in caves,
And we’d have 30 year miserable Life Expectancy —
Hmmm? Not much different from what we got Now?
On second thought,
Back to the Land, doesn’t look so bad afterall, lol.
Seriously,
Science Rocks,
many of our current “grid locked” social dilemmas,
CAN be traced back to the drifting away from,
Science having an authoritative and definitive voice,
in our National and International Debates.
Great thesis Diane W.
Spock would be intrigued, lol
It’s only logically
In many ways, we still live, in such an Age …
The Flat Earthers have a Right to their Opinions, But That does NOT make them Right!
by jamess Aug 13, 2009
The Irony of it all, really struck me, in the middle of all the Death Panels, “debates” last summer.
What a world we live in,
when ALL Opinions, have automatic “equal footing”,
simply because of the controversy they will generate on TV!
The Facts be damned — seems to be the Media’s new philosophy.
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are just grand. Not trying to be uncommunicative today, just in a really hard place.
Now I have to go do MIL things…..
bbl,
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Yes the secretary of defense has just said the search for bin laden is on. I just saw it on TeeVee. “He” has been spotted!
And I will always recall Jackie in that Zapruder film climbing on the back of the car scooping up her husband’s brain parts and trying to stuff them back in his head. I can only ponder that tramatic times bring out unusual responses in people.
Yet again the sheeple watched three WTC towers implode upon their own footprints at near freefall speed yet still hang on to the official fairytale version of Islamic terrorists plotting the subversion of the entire federal governement from goat herder caves in Afghanistan. Hey, my mother is a sociopath so the assholiansim in people is no big surprise for me. I actually like it that way cause people can’t hurt you if you already know they all suck.
Since Tesla’s time, inventors have been doing things that violate current earthly theory. Science ignores instead of observes these things. The latest and one of the greatest of these inventors is Bob Boyce. He has invented the Boyce coil/Hex controller. His system allows batteries to be recharged without any electricity from an external source (other than the air).
Numerous other inventors who Bob shared his invention with have replicated this amazing discovery. See the PESN.com website and scroll to read three blog entries since November 12, 2009. Bob Boyce’s discoveries in electromagnetics are so great, they could end our need for oil. However, scientists are not going to go near Bob Boyce. Neither will the msm. So, people better wake up to the fact that “science” ain’t gonna get us REAL solutions to global warming. Like Smoky used to say about forrest fires, Only You Can Prevent Global Warming. Learn for yourself whether this is real at PESN.com.
We need science and its approach to examining reality and the problems we face. But science is not something apart from human nature at all but a fragment of it.
Science, as we know it, came after the failure of the Christian religion to maintain some mythological framework of certainty. Science attempted and attempts to provide a provisional framework of certainty by saying, essentially, that “all things are knowable”. Of course “all things” are not knowable but all things that can be perceived with the “normal” human senses or mechanical instruments are (in the sense the sense can measure them) knowable. Science and the scientific approach generally cancels itself out eventually at the edges of knowledge where paradox and anomolie come in.
What about senses that aren’t “normal”? What if I were to tell you that I’ve experienced and seen things that are not theoretically possible under the current scientific mythos? Science geeks will say I was tripping or dreaming or paranoid or hallucinating — in other words that my experience does not count and they do not have to take it into account. Nor do the experiences of millions over the ages. Sometimes science does come up with good explanations but often (as in UFOs) they do not match the data.
I don’t want to get into an argument about sciences ability to grasp ultimate reality(ies) right now because rallying around the scientific method is crucial if we are going to get a handle on some of our problems (well, maybe compassion may be more important but one or the other or both would be great). I have seen in my lifetime the most extraordinary drift not so much from science but from reason itself in U.S. society as a whole.
The oligarchy has been able to foist the most spectacular fables that, when closely examined using science, are pathetically easy to disprove. The “magic bullet” theory is one of those. The 9/11 attacks and the utterly illogical fable spun by the media is another. But look around at all the other “debates” going on about national issues. Afghanistan — where is the logic there? Health care reform is even more blatant because the important data are available and, in a scientifically trained populace, would be at the center of the debate, e.g., how much are we spending and how much are we getting for that dollar? Very easy to find the data. Are there health-care systems that are efficient? Again, abundantly clear if you just look at the data. This inability to think straight, let alone use the scientific method still astonishes me. And I see it every day with people.
Personally, I believe that science education in this country really sucks, with some exceptions (I made sure I sent my kids to schools that taught math and science well) and it shows.
To those who think religion is a waste here’s my advice: I still believe Theology (or something like it) is the Queen of the sciences. I think understanding the whole through experience (yes there are methods to achieve a knowledge of “God”) is very important to feel connected to the universe. Physical sciences tend to create a feeling of alienation and a split between the self and the outside world. This may be why so many people recoil from the “hardness” of science.
Werner Heisenberg felt, in one of his essays, that the frontiers of science lie in the spiritual realm. Perhaps he meant the yogic sciences practiced in the east which has a long history of achievement that is measurable but few seem willing to investigate though some scientists have. Anyway I will close with this quote from one of Heisenberg’s essays.
And I might add for the community as well.
Although formally educated in History, Law and Education,
and now thank goodness retired (albeit with your basic aches,pains etc), I find comfort in rocks and plants and
old engravings. Presently, I am trying to see through the eyes of the indigenous people of California.
Personally, I think I am infected with the Heisenberg Uncertainly Principal, but there is no medication for its cure.
(and Nobel Peace Loving, Afghan War Hugging Preznets)will be campaigning for him: so perhaps Magic Bullets do exist?
When I think of God I think of the experience that is God. In the Vedanta tradition God is the Self. When you experience yourself truly as something beyond your conditioning and wants/aversions you experience the Self and the self is the same as Brahmin or God.
This upsets religious folks of course. Jesus was not dealt with very nicely. Nor was the Sufi saint Al-Hallaj who announced “I am God” and was executed by the Caliph. The Christian Church (other than the Orthodox Church) has tended to be deeply suspicious and often murderous towards mystics who go about their spirituality by basing it on experience and, one might say, science.
You’ll often find Indian (from India) scientists and professionals very comfortable in both Yogic practices and science and deeply devoted to both.
but that diagram for the positions of Connally and JFK was been debunked long ago. It does not truly relect their positions in the vehicle. When they are put in the true positions, yep, the bullet trajectory is a straight line.
is widely accepted as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, by numerous pundits, including many on the left. What they believe is very succinctly summarized in David Ray Griffin’s book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking in an excerpt which reads as follows:
If the aforementioned can be accepted as truth, it would seem to follow that the Warren Commission Report must be just as true.
The Fuhrer must surely be laughing from his grave.
without saying what is wrong about it.
Frontline did a program titled, “Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?”
Gerald Posner was one person interviewed for it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…
Again, the diagram you are using, showing that the bullet would have had to zig zag, has been debunked, over and over again. Vincent Bugliosi has covered this whole topic in voluminous works.
Sorry!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…