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On this blog, it is interesting to me that we talk about the environmental problems that face us. We talk about new structures and new paradigms, and we talk about how to handle certain deep problems facing our society such as transportation — but to me one huge basic answer to all of these questions is the urban commune.
One of the conclusions that has been largely reached by several people on this blog is that the answers, some feel, do not devolve to the traditional issues of national politics. That, in other words, to really solve the deep systemic problems inherent in the American political system is to address the local issues each of us face.
This is not an either/or — to say that we must address sustainable living and engender a better model for living is not therefore in direct opposition to the ideas involved in how to change our political system for the better. However, a gradual realization has dawned that there is a yin/yang relationship in terms of top-down political action versus bottom-up action. If we live in a certain manner as to make our government respond to that way of living, they will. Most of us work for corporations. Most of us have interests involved in basic living that are or may be at odds with what we think would be a better model of living for the future. On the other hand, if our politicians have constituents who have already changed their way of living in some degree — that if they adopt, for example, community living as a way of life without their assistance, it would be more in our politicans interests to cater to those constituencies that have already been pre-created.
It strikes me that we talk very little about the most basic problem facing all of us — that is, how to live in such a way as to weather the crises confronting our society and how to emerge whole.
I have lived, very briefly, on a commune. It is not my purpose, however, to put myself up as an expert of any kind on this subject. My experience was long enough to gather and internalize some of the concepts, but short enough that I don’t consider myself well endowed to do anything on the level of proselytizing.
It is more my purpose to open a conversation on this subject. If we on this blog wish to address New Structures, a new way, therefore, to address our problems, what can be more basic than to talk about how we live, and to think about and contribute our ideas about communal living as an opener to that very basic conversation?
It is my interest to talk about a specific variant of community living – the urban commune. We have models we can look at and apply. Rural communes do exist. Small scale urban communities do exist. What I am interested in asking is — how do we make a commune? How do we make communal living more attractive? What aspects of our current societal infrastructure are amenable to being modified to make community living possible? In addition to how we make it ecologically sustainable, how do we make it socially sustainable? What would it take to start a commune? What is the value in a passive model versus an aggressive model? By that, I mean, do we look at plans for community living in an isolated sense, not only how it is “better for you”, but could perhaps immunize you somewhat to coming problems? Or do we also look at ways to both make this living style more attractive and spread it to others, either passively or aggressively? Passively in terms of simply providing an example for how it could be done, or aggressively in terms of prescribing this solution for others?
The history of urban commune life has been replete with tales of rise and fall in miniature. The same basic issues come up again and again. There are many issues, from the most all encompassing ideological and lifestyle questions to the most niggling, basic questions, which revolve around the actual mechanisms for living. Can these issues be quantified and qualified? Communal living in an American context is replete with the woeful tale of individualism versus ideology, of community living versus individual choice making and autonomy.
Let us make no mistake: communal living is a form of communism. It is impossible to even talk about urban commune living without addressing issues of ideology. In an American context, we value, or perhaps have been sold, the idea that our society is structured in such a way as to enable individual choices in all things.
There is no model of community living that does not involve some restrictions on people’s lifestyles and lifestyle choices. As I said, make no mistake, we are talking about sharing many things as a better model, both for purposes of sustainability and for purposes of security — that is, immunizing each member of a commune from some of the vagaries of the outside economy. It is my opinion that to focus only on ecological sustainability is a mistake; we also have to consider how we can have a more attractive model or models of living. We can talk about what we can do to both minimize intrusions on people’s choices to the bare minimum necessary, and also how to have many urban communities (a “community of communities”) that make such intrusions as least onerous in an American lifestyle sense as possible.
Another question to look at is, in a quite literal sense — how can we adapt or modify the current infrastructure that does exist so that it is compatible with community living? What are the attractive features of urban commune living, and how do we dovetail such features with concepts of individual choice and autonomy and community democracy?
I believe it is possible to plot some of these dichotomies quite literally on a series of graphs. For example, we might talk about relative ecological sustainability (RES) versus relative prosperity (RP). We might also plot either of these two factors versus individual autonomy for each member of an urban commune (IA).
My question to the Docudharma community is, is this a conversation worth having? It goes without saying that urban commune living would not possibly be a valuable topic to a person who values individual living past a certain point. And it is for this reason that I wish to talk about how we can make urban communes an attractive choice, more secure choice for how to live as well as the bare bones topic of how to make it more sustainable and thus more secure. How to be good to ourselves as well as Mother Earth ;).
If it is, we might look at some of these issues in detail in the coming weeks and months. One of points is, when one talks about New Structures, as budhydharma puts it, what we are generally talking about is in cloudy, vaporous terms that nonetheless have a specific value. We talk about how we can change our ways of interacting with each other, new communitarian values and political values. However, when we talk about such new structures, is it not anachronistic not to take this term in its most literal possible way? To me, the first thing I think of when I think of the word “structure” is “building”. You have to forgive me, I am a literalistic sort — a programmer. I know that it can also have to do with interactive models such as what budhy is actually more talking about. But, in my opinion, the literal sense is also worth talking about.
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I am interested in all opinions — whether it is worthwhile to consider this subject, what can we do to model and quantize this subject, and what is the level of interest in thinking about it, what would it take to do it?
the largest urban co-op in North America.
It was pretty cool.
smoking or non-smoking?
{kidding}
I think this is a great discussion to have, and can be ongoing and will probably meander quite a bit…lol.
I was just thinking earlier today about… Plan B’s. Just not as pragmatic as you. Like… when it all comes crashing down, let’s just all meet up in Costa Rica, ok? 🙂
Unfortunately, I gotta hit the hay…
the thoughts of an American city was being big ugly slabs of concrete. There are however places like Newburyport, Salem where urban development is taking a more human face but I still think people could do better.
“They” actually want us in the urban ghetto for dependence and control issues.
Thanks very much. I’m familiar with all the pitfalls of communal living. The main problem involves commitment to group goals. You state, rightly, that the problem is ideological. It isn’t until you live closely with others and see people beyond their “act” that you experience how deeply problematical it is to live with people raised in a culture that values self-indulgence as a virtue. Plus, you deal with the essentials of politics–who has power. You find how important and critical pecking orders are. There are benign ways of establishing pecking orders which are strictly based on respecting each others’ fundamental worth. To be precise, it is ideologically a requirement to accept that each of us is as worthy as the other even if it remains a mystery. Nevertheless, order and organization, however annoying must exist and be respected and the value and well-being of the group must be given priority or things just fall apart eventually.
This is a very hard road. To be at the mercy of a group is hard. How can you trust every one? If you share all you have what if someone rips you off (I’ve seen this more than once)? There are also ways to start off sharing just a few things and maintaining independence, that is, start as a community with clear boundaries and then, over time, come together.
Whatever we choose to do (if indeed we are interested) it is a direction we must move towards. I’m more of a communitarian than a communist but we must pursue one or the other to deal with the present and the darker future–which if we face it together rather than in our little cocoons will actually be very bright.
Just taking care of my parents and mother in law for 25 years nearly drove me insane. Ended up sending my mother to India (to live with my sister) until she passed away, because costs here became unsustainable. Communal estate planning is something to mull over.
for me. I lived in one in my dirty young hippie. It became like our society itself very authoritarian, power plays and rules that stifled your being and rampant sexism thrown in to boot. As a female artist and slightly anarchistic person I could not hack it. I lasted about 3 months, my now husband got kicked out as he was a slacker musician who ate hamburgers. This was in at the rural coast in Oregon. I lived for 5 years in the community/town after leaving this household. I still miss the community that I found there. The structured communes of hippies were the the most closed and seemed to boarder on cults.
My husband is an urban type and I prefer rural. We ended up in a city that has community and is urban enough for him. No communes for either of us as they are usually ideological and end up with a authoritarian pecking order and infringe on your creativity and thought. Community is essential at this time no matter where you live rural or urban. The burbs are toast, and I feel sorry for those who have chosen to live this life insane and destructive style.
Urban community is easy where I live as Portland has never been a city where you move to make it rich. It’s the opposite you have to find a way to support yourself living here. I live in a SEneiborhood which on my congressman’s web page was called the counterculture district. lol. I’m watching it develop and adapt to these times. Urban agriculture, great city planning, alternative schools, and local businesses that are doing okay. In my little corner I can exist without a car. Neighborhoods are spread all over the city and they seem to be interacting and coming together for mutual survival both economically and for ‘life style’.
I see community as the only way forward. The country is too freakin big in everyway. I’m not a Republican drown government in the bathtub type but I see nothing that has to do with common good of either humans or the earths in the picture that they call progress or the American Dream. I think that when the chips are down people are reciliant and community will be the only answer humans have. Bio regions that are sustainable without the merchants of greed. I’m looking forward to Cascadia, and a Nikeless OR. Within each community we have the human resources to provide what is needed probably better the obscene institutions that control and limit us all for profit that has nothing to do with community and is hell bent on destruction.
Discalimer I live off corporate money in the sense that our clients and their clients are hooked into the nastiness. We do stats for market research. It’s all electronic so we have the luxury of living here. One thing I’m doing is marketing our services locally to businesses that are green and sustainable and create jobs here. A lot of the studies we get are for municipalities and deal with transportation and land use. I cringe when we get studies from health insurance companies like Well Point. So one way to develop community that works is, if you can, work for and invest in businesses that need your skills and will develop your community at large. That goes for consumption too, community banks, no big boxes, local, regional. Community can grow and during this transition we need to develop it where and however we can.
Unofficial little things. For instance, my car is currently chingada. My neighbors, whom I keep in tomatoes and peppers, gave me a key to their second car and said here use it till you figure out what you’re doing. This gives me time.
I get showered with other favors for irregular dog sitting – and they’re both nice dogs anyway, what’s an hour here or there playing with the dog?
some theoretical common philosophy make me want to run screaming. On the other hand, I’ve seen real magic happen, things no one would have believed, when everyone said you can’t do that, and we did it anyway. Bur it was a specific challenge around which to organize. And once that was done, so was the magic.