Adorable Lindsey Graham Threatening to Prosecute NYT, Guardian UK, & der Speigel- oh, wait a second

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This past weekend July 25, saw 3 major on line news publications, the      New York Times  ,  The Guardian UK, and Germany’s    der Speigel publish the Afghanistan War Logs, 90,000+ documents from wikileaks, which show that the United States and NATO forces have been killing many more civilians in the Afghanistan occupation than has been previously acknowledged.  The war of the air vs the ground explosives has also ramped up in neighboring Pakistan, where, since January 2009, according to the BBC, nearly 2,500 people have been killed by either American drone attacks or by Islamic or Pakistani ISI forces- and “extremists” have killed more than 1,700 in Pakistan.  There have been more than 2000 Afghan casualties from roadside bombs.  Adding up all the numbers and then some, there’s at least 7,000 dead from the war in this border region.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl…

https://docudharma.com/diar…

Using a theory I read about elsewhere, if each one of these deceased casualties has at least 6 surviving relatives, parents, siblings, and/or offspring, the United States has just created, with the aid of whatever factions they’re paying in Pakistan, at least 36,000 more angry people whose religious warrior culture teaches them that it’s okay to extract revenge upon the invading enemy.    

The release of the wikileaks documents coincided as to occur before the American House of Congress voted on a war supplemental spending bill, which the Senate has taken domestic spending out of,  which of course, passed anyway.

Now that the American public had no excuse for not knowing, what happened with the 111th Congress ?

Reps. Kucinich (OH 10) , Ron Paul (TX  14), and Bob Filner (CA 51) introduced a resolution directing the President to remove the US Armed Forces from Pakistan unless formal war was declared.  On July 27, at 6pm,  it failed by 38 to 372.  Six Republicans voted Yea with thirty two Democrats.  

Roll call #473, Republicans whom should be applauded for recognizing undeclared wars are not a good intrepretation of the Constitution:

http://www.govtrack.us/congres…

John Campbell CA 48

John Duncan TN 2

Timothy Johnson IL 15

Walter Jones NC 3

Ron Paul TX 14

Dana Rohrabacher CA 46

Several members of the House Democratic progressive caucus merely voted “present” instead of yes or no.   Eleven yes votes came from California and included both parties.

Yes votes, which said no to undeclared wars @ Pakistan, CA delegation, 9 Democrats

Woolsey, Miller, Lee, Stark, Lofgren, Farr, Napolitano, Sanchez, Filner

plus J. Campbell and D. Rohrabacher, Republicans

Another state with 6 votes against this, including a true bipartisan delegation was Illinois with 5 Democrats and Timothy Johnson of the 15th district.   Texas was also true bipartisan with Paul (R) and Ortiz (D) voting aye.

New York had 5 Democrats vote yea, Towns, Clarke, Velaquez, Serrano, and Maffei.   Missouri had 2, Clay and Cleaver.  

North Carolina’s Republican Walter Jones of the 3rd district truly went against the mold by being the only one of his state delegation of either party to vote yea.  So did John Duncan (R, TN 2) The Resolution Sponsor,  Ohio’s Dennis Kucinich (D), of the 10th district was the only one of his state to vote yea also.  So did McDermott of Washington state and Baldwin of Wisconsin, and Sires of New Jersey. Delahunt of Massachusetts, Edwards of Maryland, Lewis of Georgia, Grijalva of Arizona, Pingee of Maine,  Ellison of Minnesota.

All of the above were doing their job in instructing the President that only the Congress is supposed to be able to declare war according to the Constitution.

This was followed by another vote, #474, on the Afghan War 2010  Supplemental funding, renamed the Senate Amendment to HR 4899,  which passed, 308 to 114.  http://www.govtrack.us/congres…

Even the title of the final bill was a perversion, it had started out as a “disaster relief and summer jobs bill,”  then stripped of its original contents and turned into a war surge supplemental to ease its passage without having to go through reconciliation.  Hence the seemingly wrong title on the roll call #474 for HR 4899  http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201…

I will let Rep. Judy Chu (D) of CA 32 explain why she and 114 other representatives, including 12 Republicans, voted against this.


http://chu.house.gov/2010/07/r…

Today’s legislation cut $10 billion in funding to prevent teacher layoffs, $1 billion for summer youth employment, $5 billion for Pell grants and $701 million for border security, all of which were offset and budget-neutral, from the previous version of the appropriation bill.  It  provides $37.12 billion in war funding that has not been paid for and will increase the national debt.  

“Today I voted against extending and expanding the Afghan War because I’m tired of seeing investments in American jobs, education and security become the victims of friendly-fire,” said Chu. “The vote to finance this war on the backs of future generations, while cutting programs to increase those same generations’ earning power and educational attainment is a tragic one. Removing almost $17 billion in paid-for, budget-neutral investments in teachers, students and border security, while pushing through over $37 billion in war spending that only adds to the debt without making us more secure is a mistake. If we continue down this path, this war’s biggest casualty will be our children’s futures.”  

The Senate ALSO cut the Dept of the Interior’s Bureau of Indian Affair’s settlement payment on the Cobell case, a very long standing (14 years) mineral royalties for Indian tribes dispute, and the settlement to the African American farmers who had won another discrimination judgement against the USDA.

Majority Leader Reid may be complaining, but it’s the Democratic majority Senate which just chopped $3.4 billion out of the bill for the Cobell settlement, by amending it, 46 to 51.   http://www.indiancountrytoday….

They also conveniently cut $1.2 billion out that was to settle the black farmer’s lawsuit.  Shirley Sherrod, the USDA worker who was swiftboated by Brietbart and subsequently fired by Ag Sec Vilsack, then apologized to, had also won a $13 million dollar settlement last year.  http://www.philly.com/inquirer…

This was why Fox News and the neocon conservative astroturf groups like the Republican “21 project” had been carefully setting up the NAACP and Shirley Sherrod to be slimed, for weeks.

And yet our government just misplaced nearly twice that amount in Iraq.


BAGHDAD – A U.S. audit has found that the Pentagon cannot account for more than 95 percent of $9.1 billion in Iraq reconstruction money, spotlighting Iraqi complaints that there is little to show for the massive funds pumped into their cash-strapped, war-ravaged nation.  

Not to mention Afghanistan


The failure to properly manage billions in reconstruction funds has also hobbled the U.S.-led effort in Afghanistan. About $60 billion has poured into Afghanistan since 2001 in hopes of bringing electricity, clean water, jobs, roads, and education to the crippled country.    http://www.philly.com/inquirer…

Der Spiegel:


http://www.spiegel.de/internat…

Nearly nine years after the start of the war, they paint a gloomy picture. They portray Afghan security forces as the hapless victims of Taliban attacks. ……

And they show that the war in northern Afghanistan, where German troops are stationed, is becoming increasingly perilous. The number of warnings about possible Taliban attacks in the region — fuelled by support from Pakistan — has increased dramatically in the past year.

The documents offer a window into the war in the Hindu Kush — one which promises to change the way we think about the ongoing violence in Afghanistan.

Despite repeated requests, the White House refused to provide any comment in time for the deadline of the printed edition of SPIEGEL. On Saturday evening, however, a White House official finally provided written answers to select questions about the content of the reports obtained, but refused to grant an interview…..  Rhodes said: “We strongly condemn the disclosure of classified information by individuals and organizations that put the lives of the US and partner service members at risk and threatens our national security.”

The editors in chief of SPIEGEL, the New York Times and the Guardian have agreed that they would not publish especially sensitive information in the classified material — like the names of the US military’s Afghan informants or information that could create additional security risks for soldiers stationed in Afghanistan. The publishers were unanimous in their belief that there is a justified public interest in the material because it provides a more thorough understanding of a war that continues today after almost nine years.

Although President Obama used the leaked documents to rationalize his Afghanistan surge strategy (which includes droning Pakistan), as I thought he would, and downplayed the fact that the Pentagon is searching for and intends to criminally prosecute the leakers, instead asking the House to pass the Senate version of the war funding supplemental, which they did, he’s letting others do the dirty work for him of pretending to be outraged while …. talking about it anyway.

The Wall Street Journal, haven for Too Big to Fail and Too Arrogant to Care, first accused wikileaks of endangering Afghan civilians, then claimed there was really bad stuff in there that our enemies really needed to check out, (!!!)  but then claimed that other publishers (never themselves, of course) shouldn’t be prosecuted, but merely censor themselves for the good of the public attitude


7/29/2010 WSJ  calls wikileaks “bastards”

http://online.wsj.com/article/…

But they are of considerable interest to America’s avowed enemies and strategic competitors such as Russia and China.

“If I had gotten this trove on the Taliban or al Qaeda, I would have called this priceless,” says former CIA director Michael Hayden. “If I’m head of the Russian intelligence, I’m getting my best English speakers and saying: ‘Read every document, and I want you to tell me, how good are these guys? What are their approaches, their strengths, their weaknesses and their blind spots?'”

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If American voters come to believe that newspapers or websites are cavalier about putting U.S. soldiers or allies at risk against our enemies, politicians will follow the public mood. The press will put its own freedom in jeopardy.

Which brings up the next question-  after 9 years and 286 billion dollars dumped into this, $31 billion a year,  why DON’T they know what the Taliban or the dregs of al Qaeda are doing in such a small and supposedly impoverished country ?  And aren’t we supposed to have secured it by this point so that the population is not getting murdered ?  http://costofwar.com/

Contrast this to this op ed written by Robert Grenier, former CIA chief of station in Islamabad, Pakistan during the late Clinton – early Bush years of 1999 to 2002, and former director of the CIA’s counter terrorism center. Also note the sort of strange place I found it-  Al Jazeera in English.   Grenier does not think that the wikileaks Afghanistan War logs reveal anything classified as “secret,”  and is another person who is shrugging their literal shoulders and acting like “okay, we knew that the Pakastani ISI is playing both sides, nothing new here.”


US needs lesson in secret keeping Tues 7/27/10

http://english.aljazeera.net/f…

All in all, however, from available accounts – and political embarrassment with the Pakistanis aside – there seems to be very little in this material which would genuinely constitute “serious damage” to US national security – the definition of an appropriately-classified “secret” document.

It must also have a potentially chilling effect on US military report writers themselves, who now have reason to believe that they are in fact writing for a general, global audience. It cannot be a boost to greater clarity or candor for them to suppose that what they are writing is likely to come into the hands of those motivated to present such information in a tendentious and negative context.

The US system is built upon checks and balances. Where potentially sensitive national security information in the US is concerned, however, it often seems that the only effective check on what is published is the judgment and discretion of the publishers themselves.

For that perhaps small subset of illegitimately revealed information which is of genuine national security concern and should remain secret, the US needs to devise an impartial system for determining what leaked information meets those criteria, and taking effective action in such cases against those who violate the public trust: That would be the leakers, and not the publishers.  

Reading this, it certainly sounds like the NATO Triumvirate of Times, Guardian, & Speigel ran all of what was offered past the CIA first as to not get themselves in trouble.  

And this brings us to everybody’s favorite reasonable, moderate Republican, Senator Graham of South Carolina, the go- to Republican Senator, whenever the allegedly Democratic majority Senate needs to indulge its inner cravings for more Bipartisanshipthingee,  who patiently helps write Bipartisanshipthingee Senate bills on things like “climate,” which are then deep sixed because of his deep concern,  who now wants to criminally prosecute the wikileaks site and its owner, Julian Assange.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-…

Graham, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee and a reserve military lawyer, seemed to go further than other GOP colleagues by calling for the prosecution of Wikileaks itself, and not just the source of the leaks.



“I’m willing to prosecute anybody who led to undermining the war effort,” Graham said during an appearance on Fox News.

“As far as I know, there’s no immunity for a website to be able to pass on documents,” Graham added, responding “yes” when asked directly if the website should be prosecuted.  

Obviously the NYT, Guardian UK, and der Speigel have websites.

Which war would that be, again ?  The one on teachers, minority farmers,  or the one on schoolchildren ?

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  1. …. the Senate just punked the mushy “progressive” caucus again.

    This period was going to be one of those times, when in the future, we wished we could remember the bill numbers and roll calls, and who voted on what or who merely didn’t vote at all.

    They don’t even have electricity after getting a $60 billion dollar infusion, and they’re kicking the military’s arse:


    An AP investigation showed that the number of Afghans with access to electricity increased from 6 percent in 2001 to about 10 percent now, far short of the goal of providing power to 65 percent of urban and 25 percent of rural households by the end of this year.

    philly.com

    How they voted on the war supplemental while screwing around killing the energy bill and telling the unemployed they were too lazy to look for work

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201

    NO on war supplemental

    Baldwin

    Becerra

    Blumenauer

    Broun (GA)

    Brown, Corrine

    Campbell

    Capuano

    Castor (FL)

    Chaffetz

    Chu

    Clarke

    Clay

    Cleaver

    Cohen

    Conyers

    Costello

    Crowley

    Cummings

    Davis (IL)

    DeFazio

    Delahunt

    DeLauro

    Doggett

    Doyle

    Duncan

    Edwards (MD)

    Ehlers

    Ellison

    Eshoo

    Farr

    Fattah

    Filner

    Flake

    Frank (MA)

    Fudge

    Garamendi

    Gingrey (GA)

    Grijalva

    Gutierrez

    Hastings (FL)

    Hinchey

    Hirono

    Holt

    Honda

    Inslee

    Jackson (IL)

    Jackson Lee (TX)

    Johnson (GA)

    Johnson (IL)

    Johnson, E. B.

    Jones

    Kagen

    Kaptur

    Kilpatrick (MI)

    Kucinich

    Larson (CT)

    Lee (CA)

    Lewis (GA)

    Linder

    Lofgren, Zoe

    Maffei

    Maloney

    Markey (MA)

    Matsui

    McCollum

    McDermott

    McGovern

    Meeks (NY)

    Michaud

    Miller, George

    Moore (WI)

    Moran (VA)

    Murphy (CT)

    Nadler (NY)

    Napolitano

    Neal (MA)

    Oberstar

    Obey

    Olver

    Pallone

    Paul

    Payne

    Pingree (ME)

    Polis (CO)

    Quigley

    Rangel

    Richardson

    Rohrabacher

    Rush

    Sánchez, Linda T.

    Sanchez, Loretta

    Schakowsky

    Schrader

    Scott (VA)

    Serrano

    Shea-Porter

    Slaughter

    Speier

    Stark

    Stupak

    Thompson (CA)

    Thompson (MS)

    Tierney

    Tonko

    Towns

    Tsongas

    Velázquez

    Waters

    Watt

    Waxman

    Weiner

    Welch

    Woolsey

    Wu

    My neocon tea bagger flat earth loon Tom McClintock voted for it, of course.  

  2. Voted to escalate wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan and cut school funding:

    Ackerman

    Aderholt

    Adler (NJ)

    Alexander

    Altmire

    Andrews

    Arcuri

    Austria

    Baca

    Bachmann

    Bachus

    Baird

    Barrett (SC)

    Barrow

    Bartlett

    Barton (TX)

    Bean

    Berkley

    Berman

    Berry

    Biggert

    Bilbray

    Bilirakis

    Bishop (GA)

    Bishop (NY)

    Bishop (UT)

    Blackburn

    Blunt

    Boccieri

    Boehner

    Bonner

    Bono Mack

    Boozman

    Boren

    Boswell

    Boucher

    Boustany

    Boyd

    Brady (PA)

    Brady (TX)

    Braley (IA)

    Bright

    Brown (SC)

    Brown-Waite, Ginny

    Buchanan

    Burgess

    Burton (IN)

    Butterfield

    Buyer

    Calvert

    Camp

    Cantor

    Cao

    Capito

    Capps

    Cardoza

    Carnahan

    Carney

    Carter

    Cassidy

    Castle

    Chandler

    Childers

    Clyburn

    Coble

    Coffman (CO)

    Cole

    Conaway

    Connolly (VA)

    Cooper

    Costa

    Courtney

    Crenshaw

    Critz

    Cuellar

    Culberson

    Dahlkemper

    Davis (AL)

    Davis (CA)

    Davis (KY)

    Davis (TN)

    DeGette

    Dent

    Deutch

    Diaz-Balart, L.

    Diaz-Balart, M.

    Dicks

    Dingell

    Djou

    Donnelly (IN)

    Dreier

    Driehaus

    Edwards (TX)

    Ellsworth

    Emerson

    Engel

    Etheridge

    Fallin

    Fleming

    Forbes

    Fortenberry

    Foster

    Foxx

    Franks (AZ)

    Frelinghuysen

    Gallegly

    Garrett (NJ)

    Gerlach

    Giffords

    Gohmert

    Gonzalez

    Goodlatte

    Gordon (TN)

    Granger

    Graves (GA)

    Green, Al

    Green, Gene

    Griffith

    Guthrie

    Hall (NY)

    Hall (TX)

    Halvorson

    Hare

    Harman

    Harper

    Hastings (WA)

    Heinrich

    Hensarling

    Herger

    Herseth Sandlin

    Higgins

    Hill

    Himes

    Hinojosa

    Hodes

    Hoekstra

    Holden

    Hoyer

    Hunter

    Inglis

    Israel

    Issa

    Jenkins

    Johnson, Sam

    Jordan (OH)

    Kanjorski

    Kennedy

    Kildee

    Kilroy

    Kind

    King (IA)

    King (NY)

    Kingston

    Kirk

    Kirkpatrick (AZ)

    Kissell

    Klein (FL)

    Kline (MN)

    Kosmas

    Kratovil

    Lamborn

    Lance

    Langevin

    Larsen (WA)

    Latham

    LaTourette

    Latta

    Lee (NY)

    Levin

    Lewis (CA)

    Lipinski

    LoBiondo

    Loebsack

    Lowey

    Lucas

    Luetkemeyer

    Luján

    Lummis

    Lungren, Daniel E.

    Lynch

    Mack

    Manzullo

    Marchant

    Markey (CO)

    Marshall

    Matheson

    McCarthy (CA)

    McCarthy (NY)

    McCaul

    McClintock

    McCotter

    McHenry

    McIntyre

    McKeon

    McMahon

    McMorris Rodgers

    McNerney

    Melancon

    Mica

    Miller (FL)

    Miller (MI)

    Miller (NC)

    Miller, Gary

    Minnick

    Mitchell

    Mollohan

    Moore (KS)

    Murphy (NY)

    Murphy, Patrick

    Murphy, Tim

    Myrick

    Neugebauer

    Nunes

    Nye

    Olson

    Ortiz

    Owens

    Pascrell

    Pastor (AZ)

    Paulsen

    Pence

    Perlmutter

    Perriello

    Peters

    Peterson

    Petri

    Pitts

    Platts

    Poe (TX)

    Pomeroy

    Posey

    Price (GA)

    Price (NC)

    Putnam

    Radanovich

    Rahall

    Rehberg

    Reichert

    Reyes

    Rodriguez

    Roe (TN)

    Rogers (AL)

    Rogers (KY)

    Rogers (MI)

    Rooney

    Ros-Lehtinen

    Roskam

    Ross

    Rothman (NJ)

    Roybal-Allard

    Royce

    Ruppersberger

    Ryan (OH)

    Ryan (WI)

    Salazar

    Sarbanes

    Scalise

    Schauer

    Schiff

    Schmidt

    Schock

    Schwartz

    Scott (GA)

    Sensenbrenner

    Sessions

    Sestak

    Shadegg

    Sherman

    Shimkus

    Shuler

    Shuster

    Simpson

    Sires

    Skelton

    Smith (NE)

    Smith (NJ)

    Smith (TX)

    Smith (WA)

    Snyder

    Space

    Spratt

    Stearns

    Sullivan

    Sutton

    Tanner

    Taylor

    Teague

    Terry

    Thompson (PA)

    Thornberry

    Tiberi

    Titus

    Turner

    Upton

    Van Hollen

    Visclosky

    Walden

    Walz

    Wamp

    Wasserman Schultz

    Westmoreland

    Whitfield

    Wilson (OH)

    Wilson (SC)

    Wittman

    Wolf

    Yarmuth

    Young (AK)

    • Edger on July 29, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    willing to prosecute anybody who lied their f’ing faces off to start the Iraq and Afghanistan wars thus “undermining” civilization as well as being directly responsible for millions of mangled, tortured, and dead people?

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