this may be inexcusably short, but i do want to take a moment to publicly thank buhdydharma for creating docudharma. and with him I thank otb, npk, ek, and others here who made it possible. and I thank those who continue to write here. gawd knows we sure are going to need this place because after what i read tonight it is hard to imagine that dk will be much more than a pile of embers burning itself out before long. so thanks, buhdy, for making docudharma happen. and thank you for what you and others are trying to do in orange. i appreciate all of your efforts.